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J_w73

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Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« on: February 21, 2013, 11:43:09 AM »
Anybody know anything about this fitting technique. Looks like it is just an offset thumb. (And I know, by definition of how to measure a grip layout, an offset thumb doesn't technically exist.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX6-k7XC97s

http://billhallbowling.com/index.php?id_product=1&controller=product
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Stan

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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 01:15:27 PM »
Watching the you tube video was like watching grass grow.
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 01:39:17 PM »
Quote from: Stan on February 21, 2013, 01:15:27 PM
Watching the you tube video was like watching grass grow.


lol .... the only things that are worse than watching grass grow and paint dry are golf & tennis. I can't get any satisfaction out of watching those two things.  ::)  :(
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 02:41:15 PM »
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J_w73

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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 02:58:12 PM »
Quote from: Wolfstrike on February 21, 2013, 02:41:15 PM
I was waiting for him to ask if faris buller was there! lol

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=faris+buller&ei=UTF-8&fr=chr-greentree_ff&type=937811&ilc=12

haha.. that actually did pop into my mind when I heard his voice.



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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 03:39:59 PM »
This sounds like just a copy of Carl Hoffmire's Max Y Grip.   I've used the Max Y Grip and it does do what Carl Hoffmire claims it to do. 
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J_w73

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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 03:48:01 PM »

Quote from: Bowling 300 900 on February 21, 2013, 03:39:59 PM
This sounds like just a copy of Carl Hoffmire's Max Y Grip.   I've used the Max Y Grip and it does do what Carl Hoffmire claims it to do. 


Isn't it just a variation of an offset thumb or CLT drilling?? Wouldn't this bring your track over the thumb hole??

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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 11:01:30 PM »
Carl's Max Y Grip maybe a bit different.   It's not so much a offset grip but a way to drill a ball a different way using existing fitting philosophy.   For instance my grip is 4 1/4 x 4 3/8ths RH and that is nothing unusual.

Here are my numbers.    4 1/4 x 4 3/8 span.  Thumb is drilled with 1/8 reverse x 1/16th left at 22 degrees.   My fingers are drilled 5/8L 3/4R  with 0 F/R  at 43 1/2 degrees.  (these numbers are approximations since my drill sheet is down stairs and I can't recall the exact decimal numbers but you get the idea.)

Now since the fingers are not drilled at 0 degrees the ending pitches are different than the starting pitches and I've tried a thousand times to just take the finish pitches and drill them as a normal T grip and it doesn't feel at all the same.

I end up with about 1/2 Forward in the fingers when you take the measurements off the T grip and I will tell you it gets off my hand cleaner with more axis rotation than anything else I've ever thrown. 

I'm not going to get into detail about it because I promised I wouldn't reveal the secrets of the grip but it is indeed another option to fit for people who are looking for a change. 

http://www.gripcheck.net/index.html
« Last Edit: February 21, 2013, 11:17:16 PM by Bowling 300 900 »
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 07:09:34 AM »
With all the knowledgeable bowling minds out there that have given their ideas to the bowling community for free there is no way I would pay for a product that is untested. Show me some results and maybe I would be swayed....but I doubt it. I have played around with many different feels through the years but I always end up back where I started.

But good luck if you decide to pursue it.
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J_w73

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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 11:38:23 AM »
Quote from: Bowling 300 900 on February 21, 2013, 11:01:30 PM
Carl's Max Y Grip maybe a bit different.   It's not so much a offset grip but a way to drill a ball a different way using existing fitting philosophy.   For instance my grip is 4 1/4 x 4 3/8ths RH and that is nothing unusual.

Here are my numbers.    4 1/4 x 4 3/8 span.  Thumb is drilled with 1/8 reverse x 1/16th left at 22 degrees.   My fingers are drilled 5/8L 3/4R  with 0 F/R  at 43 1/2 degrees.  (these numbers are approximations since my drill sheet is down stairs and I can't recall the exact decimal numbers but you get the idea.)

Now since the fingers are not drilled at 0 degrees the ending pitches are different than the starting pitches and I've tried a thousand times to just take the finish pitches and drill them as a normal T grip and it doesn't feel at all the same.

I end up with about 1/2 Forward in the fingers when you take the measurements off the T grip and I will tell you it gets off my hand cleaner with more axis rotation than anything else I've ever thrown. 

I'm not going to get into detail about it because I promised I wouldn't reveal the secrets of the grip but it is indeed another option to fit for people who are looking for a change. 

http://www.gripcheck.net/index.html

Odd that you wouldn't be able to reproduce it measuring and drilling off of the T-grip
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 09:39:41 AM »
The grip is a great feel. The pro shop that does my equipment has been bombarded with plug work after people get one done. The nice thing about this it cant be copied like a T grip.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2013, 09:48:16 AM by chico »
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 10:32:45 AM »
Quote from: chico on February 28, 2013, 09:39:41 AM
The grip is a great feel. The pro shop that does my equipment has been bombarded with plug work after people get one done. The nice thing about this it cant be copied like a T grip.

The nice thing it can't be copied? So when you travel, the airline loses your bag, you can't get balls drilled at a tournament? Nothing nice at all with that situation. That statement alone would steer me way way away.
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2013, 05:33:16 PM »
I have heard about this Grip drilling. I came into contact with a person that was experimenting with this drill a couple of years ago before it was released this year. I had been having problems with comfort and ball reaction. I saw my buddy practicing and went to the Lanes to speak. As i was speaking i stuck my hand into a couple of his  Bowlingballs that he had applied this grip to and was asking what drill is this? I know this feel. He said it's new and nobody knows about. I told him this is not new, i've had this drill before but no one could get it right for me. I used to have what they called the Collier Grip back in the late90's to early 2000's. Jose Torres of Action Pro Shop at the time drilled my equipmwnt that way. I took the concept back to my new Drill Man. After many attempts to get the right feel, we nailed it. He called it merely a center-line transfer, where the thumb is drilled off center lining up behind the dropped middle finger and extending the ring finger. I have been Happy for the last two seasons throwing this CLT!! Best grip change i have made that felt like old. (15pins back onto my avg.) ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 09:35:56 PM »
If it's drilled on a mill...it can be copied...
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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 11:22:25 PM »
I can assure you that the Tri-Grip is not "merely" a CLT but is far from it. Many have tried to copy the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have not been successful. Unless you understand the linear lines of the tendons of the hand that is based off of kinesiology that is explained in the video then no you cannot copy it.
If you have your specs and go to another shop then yes that other shop can copy it if they know the technique.
There has been many players that have compared the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have found that the balance and feel of the grip is completely different from each other. If you want to do your own comparison then I completely encourage it by finding a shop near you that has the Tri-Grip method.
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