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J_w73 · « **on:** November 02, 2009, 06:31:51 AM »

so I was excited to watch the first mens'' telecast..
Don''t know what it was for sure but while watching I just wasn''t into it.
1)Was it the fact that it wasn''t live? Even though I didn''t see anything online about who won the matches the fact that it was taped took something away from it for me.. should it ? Not really cause everything looked the same and if I didn''t know that it was taped It would have been just like last year.. but something was different..
2)Was it the fact these guys were putting up 180 games..YES!!!
I know that the PBA conditions are tough.. I have bowled on them.. And I heard them say that the players are saying that the conditions are tweaked just a enough to make them that much tougher this year....guess what PBA... tough conditions don''t translate on TV.. If they don''t translate that well to me then they don''t translate at all to someone that is just watching and doesn''t know much about bowling...all it does is just make people think the pros aren''t that good.. or "these guys suck" as was said by my girlfriend..Then came the "you are better than these guys".. and then me correcting her "not even close".. then the explanation of why the scores are so low..
People dont'' want to watch TO drop passes all day

... and don''t want to see Tommy Jones leaving washouts and splits.
PBA.. make the patterns tough to get to the finals.. come tv time.. ease up a little and let these guys roll...
a strikefest is more exciting to the average fan.. and still has the drama and pressure built in.. baseball purists dont'' mind a 0-0 pitcher''s duel but the other 3 million fans want a homerun derby....same thing goes with bowling..

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Edited on 11/2/2009 3:38 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2009, 02:43:26 PM »

I hear you J_w. Low scores in the 180's used to be good enough, but league bowlers seldom averaged much over that.

Nowdays, nobody wants to see "hard" bowling. Most of us, myself included, have become used to a high scoring environment and are not enthused with "shot making" and execution, only scores.

Knowing that it was tape delayed seemed to take something out of it for me as well. Bowling, and the mindset towards it, has changed so drastically since the advent of high performance equipment. People who bowl a lot tend to know the difference, but like your girlfriend, most others have no idea and have no interest in watching "guys who suck", and don't have time for an explanation of why.

Great analogy using the home run derby reference. I like watching bowlers bowl on tough conditions ( like purists love a 1-0 pitchers duel), but most people DO prefer the home run derby.
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defwu3 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2009, 02:45:46 PM »

i disagree with your post about not being interested in seeing the pro's shoot bad scores, i actually like seeing this happen, i do agree that it is not good for the sport or the tv ratings. any casual bowler who doesnt know about oil patterns or their difficulty, and watching pros struggle on tv thinks that they can go down to their local center and throw a house ball up the middle and shoot 200 and beat the pros, it's ridiculous. it could have been just a bad week also it happens to even the best of professionals, give it time.

J_w73 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2009, 03:21:59 PM »

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i disagree with your post about not being interested in seeing the pro''s shoot bad scores, i actually like seeing this happen, i do agree that it is not good for the sport or the tv ratings. any casual bowler who doesnt know about oil patterns or their difficulty, and watching pros struggle on tv thinks that they can go down to their local center and throw a house ball up the middle and shoot 200 and beat the pros, it''s ridiculous. it could have been just a bad week also it happens to even the best of professionals, give it time.

I''m in the middle.. because I know it is tough I can understand what is going on and still enjoy it.. but come on.. is it really fun to watch tommy jones go over under trying to figure out the pattern while he shoots 169...

my post was sort of what the PBA needed to do to make it work and maybe be here for years to come...and you agree that almost 3 games under 180 isn''t good for tv ratings..
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BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2009, 03:58:46 PM »

So....we finnally get to see a pba telecast for a tournament that happened months ago...stayed away from newspapers, the pba site and mostly this section of this board not to know the winner.

I was so disappointed in the direction that the PBA took this season, I stopped putting the show on DVD and formally VHS. I was an avid collector and had recorded myself 98% of the PBA shows since 2001, was collecting and trading older shows. Now with youtube and ESPN Classic showing older shows, secret trading has become obsolete. Of course I have some shows that you can''t find on youtube or ESPN classic such as some USA, NBC and FOX telecasts but I decided after learning 1/4 of the season was going to be taped delayed, was it really worth seeing a second time?

Proved myself right with yesterday''s show. It was tape delayed and the worst part? IT LOOKED LIKE IT. Horrible editing, same silly theme song gimmics, same half asked unprofessional moments on tv that look like a charity event and same announcers that sound worse. At first I couldn''t remember if this was a sanctioned PBA event or Rolls to Riches or King of the Hill. Good and bad? Well, the title match was exciting. I also like Pederson''s inside tips. Bad? Rob Stone and is unexusable lack of knowledge of the game at this point in his career. Wow, I was watching some late 80''s/early 90''s summer events with Shriener and Durbin and Denny Shriener was a man who did bowl, knew about the game and had a great voice and good chemistry with Durbin. He also asked questions with Durbin and much interaction. We have none of that with Stone and Pederson. Both of these guys have to go. The bad also? The ridiculous theme music in between the frames for the bowlers. Cheesy and unprofessional.
Indecisive about having a bowler miced up during a match giving out information. I would think it would be distracting to the other bowler not to mention the bowler itself but I guess it''s that bowlers decision.

The worst part though is how they editied the frames and fast forwarded through the events. Thanks for that.

Edited on 11/2/2009 5:00 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2009, 04:04:35 PM »

Another thing was, when they had commercials, they came back with updates of "what happened while we were away". Yeah, right.

More like "what happened a couple of months ago".

Jeeeeez guys, if your going to make us watch it in tape delay, at least let us watch the entire match. It isn't like you couldn't edit it that way.
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tonybowls · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2009, 06:08:20 PM »

What I surmised from this show is that Walter Ray is the greatest ever(In My Opinion) and that Chris Barnes is the best bowler right now. His ability to play 2 different lines in the same match was brilliant.

Spider Man · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2009, 06:52:02 AM »

maybe it was my bias towards taped shows, but Randy and Stoner seemed flat. and when they forced excitement it just fell flat.
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mainzer · « **Reply #8 on:** November 03, 2009, 07:22:57 AM »

I have no issue with them shooting low scores, The conditions are tough and I don't find carry contests fun to watch if wanna see that I will go to a local handicap tourney and watch. I like to see them work for what they get.

I really dont care that they are taped.

but this is just my opinioin
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Stickythumbhole · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:38:13 AM »

First 2 shows were terrible, absolutely painful to watch. Just the latest in the PBA's downward death spiral.

J_w73 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:53:45 AM »

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What I surmised from this show is that Walter Ray is the greatest ever(In My Opinion) and that Chris Barnes is the best bowler right now. His ability to play 2 different lines in the same match was brilliant.

agreed... Walter Ray can make that outside line work on any condition..

and Barnes Is Mr Versatility...!

Maybe the show showed just how much better Walter Ray and Barnes are compared to Oneil, Jones, and PDW.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:00:25 AM »

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I have no issue with them shooting low scores, The conditions are tough and I don't find carry contests fun to watch if wanna see that I will go to a local handicap tourney and watch. I like to see them work for what they get.

I really dont care that they are taped.

but this is just my opinioin
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Do you agree for the average fan or someone that doesn't know anything about bowling this is not what they want to see...?? Most of the people that are watching the telecast are bowling geeks... and that isn't good for the PBA. There isn't enough of us to make it worth their while. What the PBA needs is a "Tiger Woods" for the sport. Someone that is just amazingly good with great charisma. PBA wants it to be Bellmonte but it isn't..
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #12 on:** November 03, 2009, 10:14:15 AM »

I didn't like the "while we were gone at commercial" thing either. Also the 2-3 second music clips after each shot was not needed.
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2009, 10:17:19 AM »

I will miss the PBA.

If the next group of investors decide to go for entertainment hope they buy into the Japanese P League franchise and stop trying to re-invent the wheel.

Guys bowling badly, not good TV, cute gals bowling well - sign us up

It has been pointed out many times, but the gals on the Professional Billiards Tour get better ratings than the guys.

If you are basing ratings on guys, they had better look exceptional to the average person or....................

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J_w73 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2009, 11:38:41 AM »

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I didn''t like the "while we were gone at commercial" thing either. Also the 2-3 second music clips after each shot was not needed.
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The music is annoying between shots when you hear it in the background on tv..
When you are at the tournament it actually kinda adds to the show a bit because you don''t have any commentators to listen to between shots.. Looks like the PBA doesn''t know whether or not they want it to be "included" in the telecast as a few times I have heard it actually mic''d for broadcast and other times it is just in the background..

The away at commerical thing irked me too... just cause you know it isn''t true.

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Edited on 11/3/2009 12:42 PM

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