I've owned the Ultimate Inferno years ago and both these ball use the same or very similar core even the core numbers are similar if not identical. Tell me, besides the covers how do these balls differ at all? Or is this just another recycled core rebadged under a different vendor?

Quote from: bowler231 on December 15, 2014, 09:32:40 PM

Quote from: ThomasR on December 15, 2014, 10:28:52 AM

Quote from: bowler231 on December 12, 2014, 08:36:48 PM

Quote from: SVstar34 on December 12, 2014, 07:38:37 PM

The core numbers are similar but not the exact same core as Global has nothing to do with Brunswick.

The way I think of it is the Moxie is similar to what Brunswick intended the ultimate inferno to be

Global has nothing to do with Brunswick but as I have heard before from various company reps, most cores are not patented thus they are fare game for anyone to use. This at least on appearance looks to be one of those instances.

You keep using the word "use" as if old Brunswick cores are just being plopped into 900 Global balls!

Well you're the man with the knowledge how about some clarification or at least answer my original question.

There are a number of things you have to consider when taking into consideration core designs with similar physical appearances and shapes.  Firstly, the way we mill, mount, mold and fill the core is going to differ from other Manufacturers.  Additionally, the positioning of the core within the ball (such as the relative degree of off set on the 4 nodes/protrusions on the design) is going to differ as well.  All in all, you can't simply look at core shape and RG/Diff numbers from separate Manufacturers and assume that they will flare, etc with the same characteristics and attributes.

To keep things simple and answer your question, yes the shape is similar to an Inferno core, but you CAN NOT look at it as an Inferno core with a 900 Global shell.

Did AMF/Global develope this core from the ground up or was this brought in from somewhere else?

Does anyone look at a lightbulb anymore and say "Oh, look, it's the Blue Nitro core." or "That core was awesome in the Beast!" or "I loved that in the Predator!"

Every company has there only version of the light bulb shape, with varying degrees of size, taper, neck width at the bottom, etc.  However, each "light bulb" shape is unique to that individual manufacturer.

Right. Same shape, different densities.

What a different move these 900 balls have based on Video versus weakly viewing of the  the older rounder looking Infernos on the lanes......Hard to believe the cores even look partly similar!

Great work!

Regards,

Luckylefty

 There are a number of things you have to consider when taking into consideration core designs with similar physical appearances and shapes.  Firstly, the way we mill, mount, mold and fill the core is going to differ from other Manufacturers.  Additionally, the positioning of the core within the ball (such as the relative degree of off set on the 4 nodes/protrusions on the design) is going to differ as well.  All in all, you can't simply look at core shape and RG/Diff numbers from separate Manufacturers and assume that they will flare, etc with the same characteristics and attributes.

To keep things simple and answer your question, yes the shape is similar to an Inferno core, but you CAN NOT look at it as an Inferno core with a 900 Global shell.
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Thomas R, thanks for being so forth coming in your reply to my question. I really appreciate your insight on the topic at hand. The last thing one wants to do is to purchase a relabeled remake of a dud only to find out you bought the same dud again.

There are a number of things you have to consider when taking into consideration core designs with similar physical appearances and shapes.  Firstly, the way we mill, mount, mold and fill the core is going to differ from other Manufacturers.  Additionally, the positioning of the core within the ball (such as the relative degree of off set on the 4 nodes/protrusions on the design) is going to differ as well.  All in all, you can't simply look at core shape and RG/Diff numbers from separate Manufacturers and assume that they will flare, etc with the same characteristics and attributes.

To keep things simple and answer your question, yes the shape is similar to an Inferno core, but you CAN NOT look at it as an Inferno core with a 900 Global shell.

I would say appearance is more then similar but spot on. The specs can vary easily. Manufactures do this often with cores making one symmetric and using the same core offset for an asymmetric version and then adjust from there to increase or decrease the RG or Diff as needed to fit a balls intended shape all from the same core design.

To say this core was developed by A/G is a bit of a stretch. It may be modified to fit there demands but the shapes are the same.

They are the same shape but different. Makes sense and cant argue that.

I was wrong on the offset. When reading on the Classic Zone it was stretched to create asymmetry. The none stretched version also used was symmetric.

The i-block core used on the systems line had one flip block for asymmetric cores and dual flip blocks for symmetric. Had to go back and look on those as well.


"Start with the classic Danger Zone shape, then stretch it laterally to create asymmetry. Keep stretching until you create a highly significant built in Preferential Spin Axis (PSA). Add the PSA locator pin and you have the new Zone Classic core"