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Title: 900 problems ?
Post by: bowlerdawg on February 02, 2009, 02:00:07 PM: im not bashing at all, but i see a lot of lightly used break pearls w/ cracks
mostly around the bridge

is there a problem with the cover on this ball
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: Kid Jete on February 02, 2009, 10:04:15 PM: Not sure, but for what it's worth my BP is cracking around the ring finger. Not very noticeably, but it's there.
Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: Artimust on February 02, 2009, 10:15:07 PM: No problems with my BP or any of my 900's.
Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: mainzer on February 02, 2009, 10:15:58 PM: Almost every company has issues with cracking, my pro shop guy had a pile of cracked and dead Big One's from Ebonite and lets not forget the EOX cover from Storm
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: slashrr69 on February 02, 2009, 11:25:55 PM: bowlerdawg
you have to remember, with "any company" and on "any ball" the closer you drill the finger holes near the pin, you have a better chance of having problems with cracking.. for the best results with this is to make sure your driller/s has sharp drill bits and places the pin at least one inch from any hole being drilled.. slashrr69

Edited on 2/3/2009 0:26 AM
Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: bowlerdawg on February 03, 2009, 05:17:57 AM: yeah i understand about the distance between drillings for the fingers, and shops getting the balls to hot, and dull bits. I was just asking if you thought there was some sort of defect or not due to the amount of them i see that are cracked or cracking.

thanks for the input

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Edited on 2/3/2009 6:45 AM

Edited on 2/3/2009 6:45 AM
Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: novawagonmaster on February 03, 2009, 05:56:14 AM: My BP is just fine (have been using it since the ball first came out).
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: tenpin on February 03, 2009, 06:05:33 AM: I have owned over 15 900Global and AMF balls and I have only had 1 crack and that was the Break Pearl. I think mine has something to do with the pitches we changed to went toward the pin and by doing that you are likely to crack the ball.
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: tekneek on February 03, 2009, 06:17:45 AM: like Rev stated, dull bits, not enough bevel on insert hole main culprit, of all the AMF/900G 's I have drilled, not a single cracked bridge that I'm aware of.
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: mmcfarland300 on February 03, 2009, 07:32:05 AM: Can't the glue used on grips have an effect as well or is that just a myth?
Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: KDawg77 on February 03, 2009, 07:36:52 AM: I thought this thread was about things going wrong as I'm tryin to move and sell my house.
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: charlest on February 03, 2009, 07:49:36 AM: quote:
Can't the glue used on grips have an effect as well or is that just a myth?

Yes, that's another potential source of cracking, AFAIHL.
If you use Super Glue all around the insert to glue it in, the glue can seep into the surrounding coverstock and make that area more brittle. Emphasis on "can". It's why I use 2 small dabs of glue and usually put them 1/2" - 3/4" down the side of the insert to hold it in place.

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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: dechrist on February 03, 2009, 07:54:56 AM: quote:
I thought this thread was about things going wrong as I'm tryin to move and sell my house.
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: jimensminger on February 03, 2009, 09:25:55 AM: The most used bit in pro shops is 31/32". That's what is used on almost all finger insert holes, and a very common thumb hole size. This will be the bit that goes DULL the quickest. A dull bit will temper the material around the holes to almost brittle if not careful.
The bridge gets tempered from both sides...couple that with the possibility of too much super glue causing a heating effect, and the weakest part of your $200 baby is right between the fingers...jime Pearls are worse than solids.
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: RyanRPS on February 03, 2009, 10:54:29 AM: Aint seen any problems with my 900 balls or any they make.

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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: jls on February 03, 2009, 01:16:16 PM: quote:
The most used bit in pro shops is 31/32". That's what is used on almost all finger insert holes, and a very common thumb hole size. This will be the bit that goes DULL the quickest. A dull bit will temper the material around the holes to almost brittle if not careful.
The bridge gets tempered from both sides...couple that with the possibility of too much super glue causing a heating effect, and the weakest part of your $200 baby is right between the fingers...jime Pearls are worse than solids.
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And that is why we have 14 #31/32 drill bits. And they get resharpened two to 3 times a year. Same goes for #1 1/8 bit, #1 3/8 bit, #1 1/4 bit, #7/8 bit.
All of these bits are used for inserts.

Also another reason for cracking around or between the fingers is the pitch some pro shops use. Cheater pitches. They pitch the MF 3/8 to the right and the RF 1/4 to the left on every ball. This helps flush up the inserts when being installed. But it also weakens the bridge!!!!
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Edited on 2/3/2009 2:28 PM
Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: 102101 on February 04, 2009, 11:22:33 AM: quote:
No problems with my BP or any of my 900's.

Same here no problems at all.
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: jimensminger on February 04, 2009, 01:18:16 PM: To answer your question, 999 times out of a 1000 it's not the cover of any ball, but the way they have the finger holes drilled, and the inserts installed. A good pro shop has very little problem with cracking...jim
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Title: Re: 900 problems ?
Post by: bowlerdawg on February 14, 2009, 08:29:51 AM: thanks for the input, and after talking w/ my local guy, and reading your post i gotta think its driller error, and not a Global problem of epidemic proportions
picked up my 1st G900 product, and im impressed w/ it, and look forward to getting some more, and learning about the line