Author Topic: Break Pearl Online-Removed (Read 19203 times)

EricThomas · « **on:** February 11, 2008, 05:11:21 AM »

Just wanted to update all those tuning in. The Break Pearls were purchased by a customer from a brick and mortar shop. Customer wanted to drill them at a later date, and is in the armed forces. He was given notice that he would be deployed in the near future and decided to sell online. I contacted the shop, shop contacted customer and it was removed. All is well in the wonderland that is Global.
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MC · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:24:19 AM »

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unfortunately I think Global is in a no win situation. If you let the sales go then he caved and let them be sold on the internet. If you stop the sale of the NIB balls then you are the bad guy not letting the guy feed his kids

Good Luck with the balls. BTW it is great looking.
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Mc, I really think that we are confusing what I believe is 900Global's policy.

I believe it is no Online dealers selling their product. Most items listed on Ebay, may be from just everyday people, not online dealers. Now of course, as in the case a few weeks ago, a real pro shop listed some balls on ebay. And they contacted him, and he did remove them.

But if we all went on to ebay right now, I am sure we could find just about every major brand listed.
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I completely agree. My understanding was that this instance was an individual that had bought several then life happened and he is going to be deployed and decided to sell the balls. Global's unique policy (regardless of right or wrong) has put them in the position of Catch 22. I have never heard them say that we could not sell used ones on the internet and as Phil said they have not "gone" after anyone. I hope to try one at some time, but will look for a used one

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ccrider · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2008, 01:51:13 PM »

Jls,

I like track and understand that one of the original track guys was involved with global. Based on that alone, the Break Pearl was going to be my next ball. After seeing how this internet sales policy, I decided to give Storm's Attitude Shift a try since I had such good luck with the Paradign and already had the kinetic and temper from track.

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I do know that I spend more on balls than most, and because of this policy, I will not be purchasing a Global ball.

Ccrider, I think you are making a mistake by not trying one of their balls.
I am starting to see a lot of quality bowlers using and making "money" with them. When you factor in the drilling charge, on most highend balls bought online, 900Global's balls are actually lower in overall cost to the consumer.

A customer on Sat. said, "I don't care what the ball cost, as long as i win money with it"

Now as for their no online policy, well it would not bother me if they did sell to online dealers. Everybody else does. And we sell their balls.

I think consumer's feel, that if 900global's balls are not offered online, that pro shops may overprice them. That is not the case. We sell their Break for less then the Fury's, Momentum's, Complete NV, Rising, etc. In fact I would say that the Break is less then just about every highend model we stock.
And keep in mind, with all of the other highend balls, we have to compete with online dealers. And yet, the Break is actually lower in cost.

I feel that 900Global gives pro shops a fair price, and there is no reason for any pro shop to jack up the retail price on their balls.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2008, 01:57:10 PM »

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I actually wanted to try a break pearl but after this screw it. If I don't like the ball I'm not going to be policed by a bunch of internet nazis when I tried to sell it. I think the decision to only sell to proshops is stupid to begin with, that is if they are worried more about being a successful business. It's 2008 and the internet has damn near taken over shopping of every kind if they don't want to hop on board to make a few brick and mortar guys happy that's their problem. I would rather buy a lane #1 ball online for 180 bucks than go to a shop and pay 200+ for something that I might not even like. Keep in mind these are my opinions so trying to crucify me over won't do you much good as my opinions aren't up for debate.

The policy only applies to NIB. So if you buy it, drill it and then sell it used I don't think they will care. They just don't want you buying 10 of them and selling them online without drilling
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RealBowler · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2008, 02:07:10 PM »

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I actually wanted to try a break pearl but after this screw it. If I don't like the ball I'm not going to be policed by a bunch of internet nazis when I tried to sell it. I think the decision to only sell to proshops is stupid to begin with, that is if they are worried more about being a successful business. It's 2008 and the internet has damn near taken over shopping of every kind if they don't want to hop on board to make a few brick and mortar guys happy that's their problem. I would rather buy a lane #1 ball online for 180 bucks than go to a shop and pay 200+ for something that I might not even like. Keep in mind these are my opinions so trying to crucify me over won't do you much good as my opinions aren't up for debate.

The policy only applies to NIB. So if you buy it, drill it and then sell it used I don't think they will care. They just don't want you buying 10 of them and selling them online without drilling
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Again, how does this differ from the BR member that is selling them? Is that member the exclusive on-line distributor for 900global? Everytime somebody mentions about not being able to find the ball in their area, this guy gets mentioned.
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jls · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2008, 03:14:17 PM »

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I like track and understand that one of the original track guys was involved with global. Based on that alone, the Break Pearl was going to be my next ball. After seeing how this internet sales policy, I decided to give Storm's Attitude Shift a try since I had such good luck with the Paradign and already had the kinetic and temper from track.
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Ccrider, Yes Phil is now with Global.

Don't let that internet thing stop you from trying the Break Pearl. You would love that ball!!!

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oprahsdouche · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2008, 03:20:30 PM »

^^^^Are you talking about Teekneek/Steve? He will sell it to you on BR but he drills them, so i dont think Global cares. Buddies sent out an email a few months ago offering both balls but they had to be drilled for $189 i think it was.

RealBowler · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2008, 06:06:05 PM »

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^^^^Are you talking about Teekneek/Steve? He will sell it to you on BR but he drills them, so i dont think Global cares. Buddies sent out an email a few months ago offering both balls but they had to be drilled for $189 i think it was.

Don't know who it is - there were a couple of guys on here selling them when they first came out. I think they were $140-150 shipped. I don't know if drilling was included, but at that price I highly doubt it.

Still, this guy has had a Break and Creature listed on ebay for a long time -

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB15-3oz-BREAK-BOWLING-BALL-BY-GLOBAL-900-BOLLING-BOWL_W0QQitemZ180161107352QQihZ008QQcategoryZ36105QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB15-1oz-900-GLOBAL-CREATURE-BOWLING-BALL-BOLLING-BOWL_W0QQitemZ180161285114QQihZ008QQcategoryZ36105QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem

Is that okay because he is charging so much for the balls? Really, what is the policy? One guy says that there are no on-line sales, then it is only available at a physical store. Or, can you sell it on-line but only if you drill it?

Next time I go visit the relatives I'll stop by the old shop and ask him about the balls. He'll tell me exactly what they cost, whether there is a minimum purchase, and basically anything else I want to know. Heck, maybe he'll have some in stock and I'll get a chance to pick one up. I don't know what the big deal is and why everything needs to be so secretive. The balls are supposed to be good balls, but its to bad not everybody has the chance to try them out.
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EricThomas · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:03:23 AM »

We arent trying to be secretive, we are trying to protect the shops that support us. Its not that we hate or despise the internet, in fact I shop on the net for dvds, games etc. Basically when we started this company we knew it was going to be an uphill battle, how do we fight it? You have to make friends that will support you, you have to educate the consumer and you have to retain them. The easist way for us to do this was to allign ourselves with pro shops that supported us before. Saying that these shops took a chance on buying our products, and since they did that we felt it only fair to support them by not selling online and undercutting their potential profit makers. Its that easy. The internet is a great way to sell in numbers, its a great way to touch more people faster. However we want to build long term relationships with the people we feel will support us through thick and thin, that buy our product because its great not because its a cheap buy. I read a lot of posts on here about "my pro shop guy rips me off, and he is the only guy in town, or he wont carry their products because they dont sell to distributors", yeah thats horrible and no way to run a business, so align yourself with another pro shop. Be a smart consumer and dont put limitations on your buying power and your dollar. Yes Buddies will order the ball, drill, and ship it to you, and yes they are an internet retailer so why do we allow them to sell it? Because they are a pro shop above all and they are going to make a profit, and that sale did not undercut the shop down the street. If we want this business to survive we need to fix the problem, people are not making points. Thats whats wrong, this industry is trying to make sales numbers but going in debt to do it. Yes they can sell 10,000 balls but if you are only box in box out and your not covering overhead your going to go under eventually. We as an industry need to see the big picture. Yes not everyone will agree with our business stance, we understand, our feelings are not hurt, our business stance does not effect our ball performance. We as most of you know do produce AMF products which you can find on websites at prices that are catchy to the end consumer. So what the heck are we doing you ask. Its not that we are trying to be saviors of the industry, (we certainly are not that big at this point, and the whole butterfly flapping wings causing a tidal wave in China doesnt fly with us yet) we are just trying to provide shops a quality product and brand name that they can use to their advantage for once (900 Global). I hope this makes sense. We can discuss this further, feel free to ask questions, just keep it civil around here (not that this thread isnt).
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jls · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2008, 10:12:58 AM »

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Next time I go visit the relatives I'll stop by the old shop and ask him about the balls. He'll tell me exactly what they cost, whether there is a minimum purchase, and basically anything else I want to know. Heck, maybe he'll have some in stock and I'll get a chance to pick one up. I don't know what the big deal is and why everything needs to be so secretive. The balls are supposed to be good balls, but its to bad not everybody has the chance to try them out.
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Haywood, If you go to 900global.com, you will see a p-s listing. Type in your state or zip code, and it will show you what pro shops in your area carry the balls.

Since last Saturday, we have sold 3- 900global balls. 2 Creatures, and a Break pearl. Two of the customer's told us that they found us by going to the 900global web site and checking out the pro shop listings.

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RealBowler · « **Reply #25 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:14:14 AM »

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Next time I go visit the relatives I'll stop by the old shop and ask him about the balls. He'll tell me exactly what they cost, whether there is a minimum purchase, and basically anything else I want to know. Heck, maybe he'll have some in stock and I'll get a chance to pick one up. I don't know what the big deal is and why everything needs to be so secretive. The balls are supposed to be good balls, but its to bad not everybody has the chance to try them out.
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Haywood, If you go to 900global.com, you will see a p-s listing. Type in your state or zip code, and it will show you what pro shops in your area carry the balls.

Since last Saturday, we have sold 3- 900global balls. 2 Creatures, and a Break pearl. Two of the customer's told us that they found us by going to the 900global web site and checking out the pro shop listings.

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I've been moving around quite a bit. Currently in Cumberland, Md. There isn't a whole lot of anything around here, and its not really a big deal for me as I haven't been bowling much lately. I just find it funny that people are making such a big deal over these little things. You have guys complaining that 1 person put a ball up on ebay when another seller has been doing it for months. You have guys claiming that the company is selling to garage drillers and won't use the balls because of that. Really, if somebody wants to spend money on the equipment to drill their own stuff, who cares if a company wants to sell them a ball direct? In my many years of bowling I've come across plenty of "pro shops" that really have no business being in business. If sitting in a closet in the bowling alley with a drill press makes you a "pro shop" then so be it!
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bowlingmaniac017 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:32:47 AM »

"Rant On"

Heres a few things to look at:

Im in the Air Force and if your being deployed, nothing you can help. Be glad he is going over there and your not.

On another note I find it amazing how hes deploying and people make jokes outside of the real situation and then give him a hard time for wanting to sale two balls he wont be able to use.

I understand policy, but this is a joke in IMO!

Hes off serving in a time of WAR to defend THE COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN... If he had a case or more, I would understand, but two balls I dont think so.

Also with two balls being on ebay, people might be asking what those are and it might have gained some intrest to those outside of BR.

"Rant Off"

Sorry but I had to say something about this because this is rediculous. He pays full price and wants money back. He wasnt saling a case but just a couple of balls.
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gojr1815 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:37:13 AM »

If the story is true that he bought them from a pro shop then he should be able to do what he wants.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:01:43 PM »

This is ridiculous. I respect Phil, he is a bowling genius, but if he thinks he can protect the individual shops that sell his stuff by doing this, he is also a bit off.

All you shops who complain about not making a living and whining about how you are losing money because of online sales just NEED to go OUT OF BUSINESS!
The more you whine and try to control the market, the more I like Keith Spears and bowlingball.com

Why should I, as the consumer, have to finance your way of life by paying highly inflated prices, just so that you can go through 3 middlemen to get your equipment and have EVERYONE make a profit larger than I do for working an honest day at my physical labor job?

I know it won't happen, but I wish every crybaby one of you in the bunch would go broke and go away, including ANY manufacturer that tries to price fix by limiting the availability of their products. Do you REALLY think someone smarter than you won't come along, find a way to survive and drill my stuff for me? If so, you are bigger fools than I already thought.

I wish 900Global no ill will, nor do I have anything personal against anyone here, I just STRONGLY disagree with this business practice and have the opinion that, if you can't find a way to adapt to the business environment and survive, that you are SUPPOSED to die out and disappear. I think it should be set by the consumers demand and the marketplace supply, NOT some IDEALISTIC, FALSE, UN-TENABLE business model designed to protect the useless few who can't survive on their own.
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oprahsdouche · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:50:20 PM »

Jug you are hilarious. While your protesting send your same reasoning to BMW perhaps they will sell me a car over the net and forego the ridiculous profit they make at the dealership.

jls · « **Reply #30 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:40:17 PM »

Gentlemen, this is getting out of control. First, i personally
do not believe this military story. I believe it was just some pro shop
or some PBA member, trying to make a fast buck. And when called on this by the people at Global, came up with this " I sold two balls to some guy in the military". I don't believe that ever happened. It makes no sense!!!!!

Now if a real customer buys any ball or product, he certainly has the right to sell it on ebay. All global's policy, as I understand it says, that no pro shops can sell it online, undrilled!!!!.

Example, Buddies will sell you this ball online for $189 drilled.

I think what really happened here, was some pro shop or PBA member bought these
balls and tried to list them on ebay. And only after someone questioned it, did Global respond.

Lets get off Global's back, they are doing a fine job with their line!!!
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