Author Topic: Break Pearl Online-Removed (Read 19201 times)

EricThomas · « **on:** February 11, 2008, 05:11:21 AM »

Just wanted to update all those tuning in. The Break Pearls were purchased by a customer from a brick and mortar shop. Customer wanted to drill them at a later date, and is in the armed forces. He was given notice that he would be deployed in the near future and decided to sell online. I contacted the shop, shop contacted customer and it was removed. All is well in the wonderland that is Global.
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jls · « **Reply #61 on:** February 21, 2008, 02:08:46 PM »

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oprah - yes i have, and they are good, but i can only get the same as any other ball/margin wise.

JLS- what makes a high end ball, a high end ball?
a new super duper coverstock, that rolls early and hooks on the back?
the newest weight block, {and i have to question that because it, (the break), looks just like an infinite one}, shape that strikes no matter where you roll it?

does the price you pay for a ball determine your sale price, or what the market will bring? i can only get top dollar from ebonite and storm. i cant just call a ball high end because i want to. i am not bashing, just trying to see where some people are coming from

Bombsaway, When I say a highend ball, it pertains to the cost of the ball.

Gravity's, Complete Nv, Momentum, Break, Rising. These are some example of what I referred to as a highend ball. Now a Hammer Doom, or a Gamebreaker are what I would call a mid price ball.

Now I agree with you when you say that Global is making a few dollars more selling their balls to pro shops as to dist. But our price on a global ball is maybe $10-15-20 lower then most highend balls. And yes we do adjust the selling price to reflect that.

But, this is what I like best, The feedback on their balls is excellent.
Not saying that they are the biggest sellers on the block. Just saying that when we do sell one, we get excellent feedback from the customer.

Now as for how they choose to sell their balls, well I have no control over that. Many consumers on this site seem to feel that it's to our advantage, the way they sell. Well I disagree. Example. On Monday I needed to special order a Break pearl in 16 lbs. On that same day I needed to order a Gravity with the MB left, in 16 lbs. The break has to be ordered from global, takes about 4-5 days. The Gravity was ordered from out dist. on Monday, and was here by Tuesday.

Now I appreciate the way Global is trying to help pro shops with their sales policy, but to be honest. I wish they did sell thru dist. Even if it means that certain dist. will sell them to online dealers. Now of course if dist. did not sell to online dealers, that would not make me upset. But they do and it's a fact of life. So we deal with it. Thank goodness we are sold out of both models!!!! Now I am sure, we as well as many pro shops, will be getting in some of those balls to drill.

Bottom line, Online is not going away, and we have to deal with it. Ebonite has certainly helped. And maybe if Global does something along those lines.
Their balls could be sold online also. But that is not for us to decide, it's up to them.

Either way, I will still stock and order their balls. "feedback"
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newguy · « **Reply #62 on:** February 21, 2008, 02:19:36 PM »

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joe, they are doing this because they make more profit per ball. instead of lowering the price to you, they keep the extra profit themselves, that the distributor would make. a nice way to spin it is to say that it helps the pro shops. answer me this, have your sales increased because of this? my guess would be, no. maybe i am just different, i love internet sales coming in, its free profit, no stocking headaches, i charge for any maintenance, just cash to the bottom line. the only items that i get killed on are the shoes and bags, so i try to make a ton of package deals.

honestly, i dont care what they do, its their business, i just tried to read between the lines for some of you guys.

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As a proshop owner I like the fact that someone in this business
is stepping outside the box to try and help the brick and mortar
shops. Only recently have I tried carrying some of their eqiupment
in one of our shops and so far the reaction seems to be positive.

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It is actually cheaper to the shop, all balls include freight and without getting into a published price on this site situation we are about $13 a ball less expensive, landed than other premium balls.

JessN16 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 22, 2008, 07:49:15 PM »

I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.

If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.

The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.

Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.

Jess

Sjf · « **Reply #64 on:** February 22, 2008, 08:00:02 PM »

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I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.

If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.

The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.

Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.

Jess

Sir, you could order a ball thru your local pro shop. Then ask them for the undrilled price. As far as I know, there is no rules against a pro shop selling someone this ball undrilled. As long as they don't sell it online.

Lets just say that the pro shops price on this ball is $149 undrilled, and $199 drilled. You should be able to purchase it at the undrilled price. And then drill it yourself.

JessN16 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 22, 2008, 09:16:30 PM »

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I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.

If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.

The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.

Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.

Jess

Sir, you could order a ball thru your local pro shop. Then ask them for the undrilled price. As far as I know, there is no rules against a pro shop selling someone this ball undrilled. As long as they don't sell it online.

Lets just say that the pro shops price on this ball is $149 undrilled, and $199 drilled. You should be able to purchase it at the undrilled price. And then drill it yourself.

Maybe, but I feel it's disrespectful to walk into another man's pro shop, order something, and then basically say "I want the ball, but I don't think you're good enough to drill it," and walk out with it. I would consider it rude. And, I'm not going to lie to get it ("It's a gift for my cousin," etc.).

Jess

qstick777 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:54:09 AM »

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Bomb-Well if you get the same margin I understand. We charge the same and just pocket the extra dough. Thats the business thing to do. High end is in the eye of the beholder. Some say its dictated by price, others performance.

You can do that because the ball isn't available online, which is good for the shop!

Some shops prefer to make the same margin on a ball, and some shops like to price similar balls at the same price point. I've seen a shop charge the same for a Lane1 ball as other premium balls (around $219) even though the Lane1 balls are $40-60 more online. I've also seen shops have so many different price points because they charge the same margin on each ball. You end up with 4 or 5 balls that range between $189 - $219 and having to explain to customers why they are priced different.

How do you handle the Cell? That is supposed to be a premium ball but is priced as a mid-premium.
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qstick777 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2008, 09:11:45 AM »

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I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.

If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.

The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.

Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.

Jess

That really doesn't sound like a bad idea. Add another $20-25 to the price of the ball, as that seems to be the amount that most shops try to get as additional markup on balls.

The only drawback is needing the additional manpower to handle the orders. Maybe it really doesn't add too much as it might not be any different than the PBA members being allowed to order. I don't know if I would agree with capping it at 1 ball. At least 2, or maybe as high as 4. Some people like to have the same ball and drill it differently.

I can understand the dissatisfaction with local shops. I'd disagree with it being disrespectful to ask for an undrilled price. My local shop basically has to order everything from his distributor, so there is no problem asking him for an undrilled price.

My pro shop offered to let me use their equipment. They were still going to charge me the same price, but he was willing to let me drill my own stuff. That would have been great, but his shop hours don't fit my schedule.

But, I know what you mean - some guys feel threatened when somebody spends a couple of grand on equipment to pursue a "hobby." My shop guy just looked at me and said "you know when you screw up and bring me stuff to fix I'm going to charge you!"
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ccrider · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:15:14 AM »

Valid points. I purchased drilling equipment because the local shop here is not open most of the time and does not make drilling balls a priority. I tried a "major" shop 55 miles away and got fitted without the driller taking the time to figure my pap or watch me bowl. Spans were drilled to long with wrong pitch in my thumb which caused calluses. The driller told me not to worry about the calluses as long as they did not hurt.

I was refitted and had a ball drilled last night by another shop. This guy new what he was doing and it was obvious. He charges 60 bucks to plug and redrill but it was worth it. He charges 200 bucks out the door for a game breaker with thumb slug and vise finger lifts. He does not care if you bring the ball in or buy it from him. He says he makes money either way, and has more work than he can get to.

It was worth 60 bucks to me to watch the guy work. I will have him drill balls for me from time to time just because I appreciate good service. It's cheaper for me to pay to have the ball drilled, then to take the time to drill it myself. But, it is a good hobby.

If it wasn't for 900 global's screwed up online policy, I would at least give their product a try. But, as things stand, not a chance.

omb-Well if you get the same margin I understand. We charge the same and just pocket the extra dough. Thats the business thing to do. High end is in the eye of the beholder. Some say its dictated by price, others performance.[/quote]

You can do that because the ball isn't available online, which is good for the shop!

Some shops prefer to make the same margin on a ball, and some shops like to price similar balls at the same price point. I've seen a shop charge the same for a Lane1 ball as other premium balls (around $219) even though the Lane1 balls are $40-60 more online. I've also seen shops have so many different price points because they charge the same margin on each ball. You end up with 4 or 5 balls that range between $189 - $219 and having to explain to customers why they are priced different.

How do you handle the Cell? That is supposed to be a premium ball but is priced as a mid-premium.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #69 on:** February 23, 2008, 12:19:52 PM »

I, too drill my own balls.
I did not buy the equipment to go into business. It's a hobby, and I can experiment with different ideas without having to think about what it's going to cost to plug and redrill when it doesn't work.
I will not be buying new equipment from 900G either. It just does not make sense ($$$-wise). That said, I am curious enough about the products that I did buy a USED Creature and USED Break just to see what the balls had to offer. Even if I like them , I will not buy NEW balls from 900G because of the business model they have put in place.
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Sjf · « **Reply #70 on:** February 23, 2008, 07:31:48 PM »

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I, too drill my own balls.
I did not buy the equipment to go into business. It's a hobby, and I can experiment with different ideas without having to think about what it's going to cost to plug and redrill when it doesn't work.
I will not be buying new equipment from 900G either. It just does not make sense ($$$-wise). That said, I am curious enough about the products that I did buy a USED Creature and USED Break just to see what the balls had to offer. Even if I like them , I will not buy NEW balls from 900G because of the business model they have put in place.
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Exactly what is wrong with their "business model"?
I see a lot of "money bowlers" using Breaks!!!!!
They use the ball because they are scoring and "winning money!!!!!
None of them "seem to be worried or care" about their "business model"
They seem to care about "scoring and winning money!!!!!

I think all this negative talk about the way 900global does business is silly.

This morning we got a call from a "bowler" giving us feedback on his team and their new balls. Friday nite's scores. 775, 771, 751. None of them really seemed to care about how 900global does business, or any other company. They being "bowlers" care about scoring and winning money.

Even if this ball was sold online. After drilling, the final cost might be around $180. Most pro shops are probably selling the ball drilled in the $189-$200 range. Some of you make it sound like you are being overcharge millions on their line of balls. Makes me wonder, why??? why are "money bowlers"
not complaining.

Now if you think your getting screwed by 900global, you can always buy a Brunswick ball, like the Fury. It was selling online about one month or so ago for $99 to $109. Today it is $79. Gee I wonder why?

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #71 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:11:11 PM »

"Money bowlers" can score with just about anything. They may have preferences, but you cannot tell me that only one ball will work for them.
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Sjf · « **Reply #72 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:22:49 PM »

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"Money bowlers" can score with just about anything. They may have preferences, but you cannot tell me that only one ball will work for them.
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So true. The point was that "money bowlers" will use balls that perform. They don't get all caught up in this online vs pro shop crap. And one thing I don't hear them saying is that for a $10-$20 savings, they will not use a certain ball. This morning when a "bowler" called and gave us feedback about
his bowling friday nite. He talked about how well the his ball worked, and the $640 he won. Do you really think he cares about nickel and dime stuff?

Two types of people get in pots. those who win and donators!!!!

All this bashing of 900Global over what??? A $10-$20 possible savings???
Give me a break.

SprayNpray · « **Reply #73 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:50:58 PM »

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Give me a break.

Actually, give me a Break and a Break Pearl. Thanks.
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