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charlest

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The Messenger Ti Returns!
« on: January 18, 2009, 08:39:51 AM »
Dear Phil,

I have a suggestion -
Take the Awakening core, retro-fit the "titanium" nugget, put a "pure" pearlized Super-Flex coverstock on it (similar, no, Identical to the one on the Messenger B/S/P) and call it "The Messenger Ti Returns". A nice black and silver color pattern would be good. Suggested retail price: $150. ($95 internet) You'll make another quick million dollars. Hmm, maybe only $500K ... But you'd make a lot of us very happy.

Thanks.
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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 04:42:10 PM »
Good idea. Make sure they are highly mass produced so shops can keep them in stock. I remember when the Ti Messenger and the Pearl Ti were released they were very hard to get ahold of.
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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 05:11:51 PM »
I'm sure they would have to call it something else due to copyrights/trademarks and the like...

Not only that, I believe the Titanium nuggets are too dense for the updated regulations that the USBC adopted in the past few years.  If I recall Lane #1 hyped the Uraniums as having the densest core material allowed under the new rules...




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charlest

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 05:23:27 PM »
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I'm sure they would have to call it something else due to copyrights/trademarks and the like...

Not only that, I believe the Titanium nuggets are too dense for the updated regulations that the USBC adopted in the past few years.  If I recall Lane #1 hyped the Uraniums as having the densest core material allowed under the new rules...

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J_Mac

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 05:36:35 PM »
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I'm sure they would have to call it something else due to copyrights/trademarks and the like...

Not only that, I believe the Titanium nuggets are too dense for the updated regulations that the USBC adopted in the past few years.  If I recall Lane #1 hyped the Uraniums as having the densest core material allowed under the new rules...



You're just a stick in the mud!
Why can't I fantasize in peace?


Guess I'm not on your ignore list like I've thought I was...

If you wish to fantasize in peace, I'd recommend not trying to do so in a public forum.  

There a LOT of classic pieces out there that I've never had an opportunity to use.  I've only been bowling with reactive equipment since 2001.  Unlike a lot of the bowlers my age on this forum, I didn't grow up in the YABA program either.

Am I jealous?  Nah... If the ball was so good, why isn't Columbia still in business in San Antonio though?  
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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 05:45:07 PM »
I am sure there is something they could do to get it into specs.
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The Bowlers Edge 2

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 06:51:21 PM »
we asked about this when designing the awakening. I believe we were told using the nugget was more a copyright issue than getting the ball into specs, but it is a possibility it also had something to do to get the ball into the new USBC specs.
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KingofKings696

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 06:43:07 AM »
Could always do something like they done with the sd73 and remade it 100% and called it the classic and it allowed them to still make it and be legal even though its technically an illegal ball. Obviously columbia would have to be the one to do so.
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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 08:05:33 AM »
Ceramic core technology is a patented technology. But the density of the ceramics are limited regarding modern technology. We can get the rg's lower with out it.
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charlest

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 08:08:14 AM »
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Ceramic core technology is a patented technology.


Ah! there's the problem. Probably why the Awakening didn't have it to begin with.

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 But the density of the ceramics are limited regarding modern technology. We can get the rg's lower with out it.


Of course, but that "nugget" was such a nice touch.

Thanks, Phil.
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dropptonhed

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 03:55:04 PM »
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Ceramic core technology is a patented technology. But the density of the ceramics are limited regarding modern technology. We can get the rg's lower with out it.


True, Track and Columbia had it.  Unless I'm mistaken, however, doesn't AMF have rights to the patent?  I wanna say one of The Valor line ("P" if I'm not mistaken) and SuperHawk had nuggets in them.  I'm not talking about the "ceram-x" or whatever that silly stuff was that the ninja RPM/C and Dick Weber Legacy/C had, but the real ti nugget.

Did the rights to the patent for AMF die with the Track/Columbia acquisition?  

If AMF still has usage rights, could AMF manufacture a 900 ball to fulfill this purpose?

At least on my end the love of the ti nugget isn't only because of the Lower RG created but also the energy deflection back into the pins creating that awesome smacking noise coupled by low-flying rack devastation.

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newguy

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2009, 04:01:33 PM »
My name is on the patent. It was a first used in a Track ball. The Critical Mass. As I said eariler the technology advantages are not there with the desities available today. COR impact maybe but not RG or diff .
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dropptonhed

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 04:16:22 PM »
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My name is on the patent. It was a first used in a Track ball. The Critical Mass. As I said eariler the technology advantages are not there with the desities available today. COR impact maybe but not RG or diff .


I was aware that you created the density nugget concept (in different capacities with different companies throughout the years).  My concern was solely whether or not the intellectual property rights may have parted ways with the company logo.

In my opinion, the retro-fitting of the nugget would still be a great idea simply for nostalgic purposes and if nothing else, the placebo effect of the COR impact.

Thanks for your reply concerning the patent ownership, that was a question a few of us have been wondering for a while.
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los2003

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Re: The Messenger Ti Returns!
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 04:29:14 PM »
yeah they were I have both of them still though..lol and a pearl nib

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Good idea. Make sure they are highly mass produced so shops can keep them in stock. I remember when the Ti Messenger and the Pearl Ti were released they were very hard to get ahold of.
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