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lefty50

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Question on S75
« on: August 17, 2009, 02:15:23 AM »
Can someone help me understand this reaction? I purchased a S75 a few weeks ago. In the interest of full disclosure, it's a second, Cg way off 2 inches left, (I'm a lefty). Bottom line,  simply a low cost way to evaluate
Global. I didn't know what to expect, but it wasn't this???

The ball goes 35 feet, makes a pronounced angular course correction to the right and is dead straight on that angle until it (weakly) hits the pocket.
By my thought, this is the dictionary definition of "hook set". In fact, I looked in the online dictionary under "hook set" and there it was, a picture of my S75..

Yuck. Question is, what's the primary component causing this? It has a 4 inch pin 1/2 inch above and right of ring finger, 900 Logo just left of thumb, Cg 1.5 inch right of VAL on midline, weight hole on VAL.

Is this a characteristic of the ball, the fact that it's a second with way off Cg, or the layout? I doubt it's the layout, since I use it that way on other balls...

Constructive feedback on how to change the reaction would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 10:22:49 AM »
Greetings!

Sounds like the ball bleeds its energy really quickly at the BP.  Something you can try is adjust surface a bit.  If you want it earlier, take a 1000 Abralon to it to see if you can get some earlier bleed.  If you want more length and not lose it all...maybe a coat or two of Delayed Reaction to give it a go.

A double thumb S75 is a seriously strong ball.  Try the surfaces adjustments to see if you can get more of what you are looking for.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 10:47:01 AM »
How can you have a double thumb drill and a weight hole on the VAL at the same time?  Which one is it?

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lefty50

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2009, 10:59:58 AM »
OOPS! Sorry about that. I took it in with the intention of creating a double thumb, but couldn't get the layout to be anywhere near legal according to my driller. I've edited the text now..
Thanks for catching that!
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 11:26:03 AM »
I love my S-75 and it gives me a terrific angle to the pocket with good continuation on the right conditions.  

I picked up a Break that is a 2nd which also has the cg about 2 inches off to the left.  I drilled mine pin to left of ring and the mb left of my thumb about 2 inches.  I never could get a good look with that ball.

Maybe it is the ball...just don't know.

lefty50

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2009, 11:54:22 AM »
Sounds pretty similar to my problem Lefty, thanks for the shout. Question, how do you have your S75 that you like laid out?
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2009, 04:01:05 PM »
the way I understand drillings and layouts is , first of all you are left handed and you purchased a second with a cg that is 2" left(a no.no) the ball being a second is not the problem.. I buy mostly all seconds first to see if the ball is compatible with my game and then I stock up on them.. 900 globals' second balls are actually great balls for as strong as they are.. you can lay them out with a  lot of different drillings.. to me your 1st problem is the 2" cg left, you are a lefty and your ideal ball cg should be right if you have go that route(pin,cg mb straight line is best).. left was a nono for you.. it limited you to your drilling options.. your driller should have mentioned this to you before he/she punched holes in it.. if you go to the tech page on the global site you can find out exactly how the s 75 is finished(OOB) and go from there.. it sounds to me that the ball is too strong for the condition and you should try maybe changing the surface a little first before plugging it.. I want to say the s 75 is 1K and brown compound and dry buff(Icant remember you should dbl check),I myself would try and take it to 2K and brown compound(the brn compound should be about 1000/1200grit) and see if this helps.. if you see a positive result but need to go a little more go to 4K and brown compoundand dry buff.. changing the 1K to 2K will create more skid and it should be more angular off the spot and the 4K will be even longer and stronger.. hope I understood your post correctly and maybe this will help you.. slashrr69

lefty50

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2009, 04:11:17 PM »
Thanks slash. My driller had no knowledge, it was a surprise Ebay present.. I was told that cg left was a plus for left handed, didn't know it was the other way around... That would big a big information boo-boo on my part. Can I ask you... Are you sure it's left of line=no good for a lefty?
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2009, 04:25:38 PM »
cg left of the pin/mb 2" is a BIG NO for a lefty!!
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2009, 04:41:02 PM »
Sell it to a righty and buy another with the cg either in line or to the right.
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2009, 05:05:46 PM »
sounds like the ball is burning up on the spot do to not enough oil. I would say first make a surface change, second move the weight hole off the VAL, could be causing to much flair burning itself out

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2009, 05:52:43 PM »
it limits you to how the ball can drilled.. if you have "no other choice" I would not go any farther then 1" MAX.. 2" is just to much to compensate for.. your ideal pin,cg,mb should be straight in line with each other, but if you have to get a ball that the cg is out "lefties want the cg to go right" and "righties want the cg to go left"..

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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 08:44:42 AM »
Everyone seems to be hung up on the cg position. The only thing that the cg affects is how big and where the weight hole is neede Pin and MB is all that matters on this ball. Personally some of my strongest asym balls have ended up with the cg on or close to my axis.     I agree it sounds like it's burning up. Either move in and find more oil, change surface, or try adding more axis rotation to get more skid
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2009, 02:12:16 AM »
I agree the cg really don't matter especially on global balls, my s75 is kicked about 2" to the right and im a righty. And honestly my layout was close you yours pin at 4.5" away but it ended up being about 2.5" up from my ring finger and the mb is at 40 degrees. I too had the same reaction with that strong mid lane hook to where the ball would set and stand up. The reason it does that is due to the pin being so far up, now when you put the ball on some oil it has a great mid lane roll and continues to be strong on the backend. Now being the cg is for me on my val i ended up drilling a 1 3/16" hole 3.5" deep and still have 7/8" side. So check your weight, and also polish it, you will get rid of the stand up that the ball gives you and it will def. hit like a champ. I shot 300 with mine.
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Re: Question on S75
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 05:57:07 PM »
I agree with stroked298 if you have not weighed the ball, weigh it now. One of the reasons a ball can get to be a second is that one or more of the markings is in the wrong place. My general advice would also be to drill the ball based on the pin and mb, then weigh it and see what you need to take out in a weight/flare hole, to make it legal.

Added thought on hook set reaction I recently took a ball that was essentially a shelf ball for me and drilled it Sarge Easter to see how the release felt. The ball release felt great, but the reaction was hook set with a weak hit. As always, the cheapest adjustment to make is to the surface so went with more polish. The reaction to my surprise, since I thought the ball was rolling out, was a weaker hook set. Started to think it was the Sarge Easter layout however to be sure I scuffed up the ball with a scotch brite pad. Surprise, the ball is no longer hook set and has decent carry - I guess you can "teach an old dog new tricks."