Author Topic: 900 Gobal...Why not just sell your shoes to shops as well ??? (Read 7945 times)

302efi · « **on:** December 15, 2007, 07:59:04 AM »

Okay, so you only sell your balls to proshop...

Why not do the same with your shoes

Your trying to "save the proshops", well online store selling your shoes are helping proshops lose money, no ??

I'm surprised no-one caught this before....
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"

Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...

302efi · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2007, 05:51:15 PM »

Mouthbig, I'm pretty sure thats the reason as well...but I doubt I'll get a answer from anyone in the company.

Does seem odd, don't it ?

Why not just sell all your products as "proshop" only ?

Why only the balls ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"

Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...

EricThomas · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2007, 08:37:37 PM »

You guys crack me up. Why ask questions if you think you know all the answers? First off we have used a small group of distributors that have been great to work with for several years to sell our shoes. The structure has worked with ease, and by the way they control where the shoes end up (ie the internet). Why turn around and stick it to them, if it aint broke dont fix it.

As for the balls, use simple logic here guys. How in the world can a company lose money selling direct? You control who, what, when, and how many you sell. You set the price and you dont have a middle man. You tell me how we are losing money. Trust me we are selling balls, if you dont want to believe the hype; dont. We never said we wanted to take over the world, we just want to provide a product that "OUR" customers want.
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Edited on 12/15/2007 9:38 PM

302efi · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2007, 09:22:21 PM »

Very well said Eric, afterall you our in the position to know "whats" going on more then the customer.

...but your reasoning behind the whole shoe thing is laughable. You know that the shoe business is where lots of the money comes in. Can you imagine what would happen if you guys cut the shoes from being sold online ?

lol...thats why you guys still sell online

As for the balls, if you say that the customers only want to purchase your product in over-priced proshops...umm I guess your right !
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"

Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...

tenpin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2007, 09:35:23 PM »

It cracks me up how people always complain about this issue. Believe me the equipment is selling around my area. Which is a pretty big bowling area. Green Bay, Madison, Sheboygan, and Milwuakee. They can control their ball market better by selling direct to pro shops. Don't have to produce huge amounts of balls to sit in the warehouse.
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900 Global:No oil pattern we can't tame
www.900global.com
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newguy · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:20:58 PM »

sku's, that the reason, we could not offer a proper service attempting to ship one and twos to shops on a daily basis given all the sku's, we have to have an unmanageable amount of inventory on hand. Distributors are really good at managing lots of Sku's
Regarding the comment that we are helping pro shops loose money, the pro shop (smart ones) count inventory turns, shoes require lots of invnetory and only a few turns, they can easily service their customers through distributors and not tie up lots of money in inventory. See below for Sku numbers for our line. Balls they can have 2-15lbs and 1 14lb in stock and get lots of turns.
Balls- 2 balls 3 weights, key shops, limited distribution -easy to manage
Shoes - 8 price points, 13 sizes, shops do not like to stock performance shoes they would much rather purchase what they need from a distributor. We only sell performance shoes.
Regarding the internet a shoe is not a service required item, a size 9 is a size 9. No need to drill it fit it or adjust it.
Balls require a service, shops need to get paid for this service.

Bottom line is we have a business plan. Trust me it's working. Also this is not my first rodeo.

Edited on 12/15/2007 11:26 PM

nextbowler · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2007, 02:48:22 AM »

My local pro shop owner (K&K Bowling) has told me directly that he has
had very good experiences dealing with Global. He told me that he has
sold over 40 creatures alone, with very good service and pricing. I have
both the Creature and the Break and they are very good balls. Why would
that be a problem for anyone who chooses to follow this route?

Sjf · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:00:17 PM »

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sku's, that the reason, we could not offer a proper service attempting to ship one and twos to shops on a daily basis given all the sku's, we have to have an unmanageable amount of inventory on hand. Distributors are really good at managing lots of Sku's
Regarding the comment that we are helping pro shops loose money, the pro shop (smart ones) count inventory turns, shoes require lots of invnetory and only a few turns, they can easily service their customers through distributors and not tie up lots of money in inventory. See below for Sku numbers for our line. Balls they can have 2-15lbs and 1 14lb in stock and get lots of turns.
Balls- 2 balls 3 weights, key shops, limited distribution -easy to manage
Shoes - 8 price points, 13 sizes, shops do not like to stock performance shoes they would much rather purchase what they need from a distributor. We only sell performance shoes.
Regarding the internet a shoe is not a service required item, a size 9 is a size 9. No need to drill it fit it or adjust it.
Balls require a service, shops need to get paid for this service.

Bottom line is we have a business plan. Trust me it's working. Also this is not my first rodeo.

Edited on 12/15/2007 11:26 PM

extremely well said. a pro shop can stock a few meat sizes of their shoes, and take special orders and usually get them from their distributor in a few days. as for the balls, stock 1-2 of both a 15 and a 16 lbs. and reorder
as needed.

laufaye · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2007, 11:46:20 AM »

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sku's, that the reason, we could not offer a proper service attempting to ship one and twos to shops on a daily basis given all the sku's, we have to have an unmanageable amount of inventory on hand. Distributors are really good at managing lots of Sku's
Regarding the comment that we are helping pro shops loose money, the pro shop (smart ones) count inventory turns, shoes require lots of invnetory and only a few turns, they can easily service their customers through distributors and not tie up lots of money in inventory. See below for Sku numbers for our line. Balls they can have 2-15lbs and 1 14lb in stock and get lots of turns.
Balls- 2 balls 3 weights, key shops, limited distribution -easy to manage
Shoes - 8 price points, 13 sizes, shops do not like to stock performance shoes they would much rather purchase what they need from a distributor. We only sell performance shoes.
Regarding the internet a shoe is not a service required item, a size 9 is a size 9. No need to drill it fit it or adjust it.
Balls require a service, shops need to get paid for this service.

Bottom line is we have a business plan. Trust me it's working. Also this is not my first rodeo.

Edited on 12/15/2007 11:26 PM

Great to know the business plan is wroking for you guys. Good for you.

I just took all the AMF balls off the shelf and returned to the distributor, since the customer can buy AMF balls through AMF centers at a price even lower than we can get from the distributor. Great plan works for you but not for me. Yes, if they buy the ball they will bring in and I can charge the drilling, thats why I don't see why I need to stock them and display them at all.
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Laufaye

newguy · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2007, 12:28:02 PM »

That is a problem you need to take up with AMF corporate, we are the licensee of the brand, they still own the brand and have the rights to purchase the balls from us.
On a different note, did you remove all the Brunswick, Ebonite and Storm from your shelf as well, I did see a league program offered to AMF centers called "it's your choice" and on the flyer was Ebonite, Brusnwick and Storm. So in order to be fair you should also remove them as well. The program allows the league bowler to purchase any of the balls from those companies through the center. Sounds like they finally decide to promote their own company for a change and not give all the attention to the competition.
Also you are quite incorrect on the pricing, it is comprable to the internet prices for the same balls (I checked) and the internet operators purchase product from the distributors thus your pricing issues need to taken up with your distributors. I hope this information is of value to you. If we can be of any further help please feel free to call us at 1800 424-2695.
We can not control AMF corporate, if you contact them I'm sure they would love to here your comments.

laufaye · « **Reply #10 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:58:06 PM »

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That is a problem you need to take up with AMF corporate, we are the licensee of the brand, they still own the brand and have the rights to purchase the balls from us.
On a different note, did you remove all the Brunswick, Ebonite and Storm from your shelf as well, I did see a league program offered to AMF centers called "it's your choice" and on the flyer was Ebonite, Brusnwick and Storm. So in order to be fair you should also remove them as well. The program allows the league bowler to purchase any of the balls from those companies through the center. Sounds like they finally decide to promote their own company for a change and not give all the attention to the competition.
Also you are quite incorrect on the pricing, it is comprable to the internet prices for the same balls (I checked) and the internet operators purchase product from the distributors thus your pricing issues need to taken up with your distributors. I hope this information is of value to you. If we can be of any further help please feel free to call us at 1800 424-2695.
We can not control AMF corporate, if you contact them I'm sure they would love to here your comments.

Phil,

I have not seen the other promotion with the other ball company yet, and if they do I promise you I will do something about it as well, just to be fair, talking about fair, the pro shop nowadays is not operating on a fair field at all, right or wrong is hard to say, just the way you look at it, the Heist is actually lower then what I can get from the distributor, the Angle and NHP is a tad higher, and yes comparable to the internet pricing, so in some sense you are also agreeing with internet pricing? The whole distribution chanel is a big mess now, I see the distributor and pro shops are suffering, and I am sure you do not want to see your great product selling online to the end user at that low price as well.

As far as AMF Corp, you have no control on them, but you did have an agreement with them to sell to them, not going through the distributor, pro shops. Right or wrong, its still up to you to decide. We complain to AMF Corp last season and they still doing it this season.

Have a happy holiday.
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Laufaye

newguy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 19, 2007, 04:22:04 PM »

quote:
quote:
That is a problem you need to take up with AMF corporate, we are the licensee of the brand, they still own the brand and have the rights to purchase the balls from us.
On a different note, did you remove all the Brunswick, Ebonite and Storm from your shelf as well, I did see a league program offered to AMF centers called "it's your choice" and on the flyer was Ebonite, Brusnwick and Storm. So in order to be fair you should also remove them as well. The program allows the league bowler to purchase any of the balls from those companies through the center. Sounds like they finally decide to promote their own company for a change and not give all the attention to the competition.
Also you are quite incorrect on the pricing, it is comparable to the internet prices for the same balls (I checked) and the internet operators purchase product from the distributors thus your pricing issues need to taken up with your distributors. I hope this information is of value to you. If we can be of any further help please feel free to call us at 1800 424-2695.
We can not control AMF corporate, if you contact them I'm sure they would love to here your comments.

Phil,

I have not seen the other promotion with the other ball company yet, and if they do I promise you I will do something about it as well, just to be fair, talking about fair, the pro shop nowadays is not operating on a fair field at all, right or wrong is hard to say, just the way you look at it, the Heist is actually lower then what I can get from the distributor, the Angle and NHP is a tad higher, and yes comparable to the internet pricing, so in some sense you are also agreeing with internet pricing? The whole distribution channel is a big mess now, I see the distributor and pro shops are suffering, and I am sure you do not want to see your great product selling online to the end user at that low price as well.

As far as AMF Corp, you have no control on them, but you did have an agreement with them to sell to them, not going through the distributor, pro shops. Right or wrong, its still up to you to decide. We complain to AMF Corp last season and they still doing it this season.

Have a happy holiday.
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Laufaye

I agree with you and as you know we are the strongest supporters of shops, we've been beat up over the Global brand not available on the internet. I understand your problem and sympathize with you. AMF needs to grow their brand, they do not want to promote other brands their biggest program is the viz a ball and felt the best way to grow the name is to get their league members excited about their product. There are 457,000 league bowlers in AMF centers. Their strategy can not be faulted, they have a captive audience. If we can help you please call us.
Phil

newguy · « **Reply #12 on:** December 28, 2007, 07:31:14 PM »

That is exactly the plan.

qstick777 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 28, 2007, 11:52:40 PM »

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That is exactly the plan.

Phil, you mean you have a plan? I thought this was your first rodeo!

Are you sure you don't want to get business advice from bowlers on an internet forum?

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302efi

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