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mrbowlingnut

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Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« on: July 20, 2008, 09:45:16 AM »
Drilled up the S-75 Break and Venom this weekend, The S-75 is a flipping beast compared to my Venom. My Venom is smooth up front and a medium oil ball at best, yes it hooks the last 10 feet or so alot but let me tell you it is big step down from the S-75.

Both drilled pin over the ring and mb right of my thumb 1 1/4, pin to pap would be right at 4 1/2 for the S-75 and 4 3/8 for the Venom. Mb would right in the 4 1/2 area, no weight holes needed. Venom has a 4-5 pin and S-75 was a 3-4 both closer to 4 inches than anything else.

The S-75 forces you to move inside on a medium house shot, the thing is this ball will recover and do it with ease. Call it a Cell that goes longer and hits better at least in my case, looks alot like a bite in ball reaction but oob slightly more rolly looking and keeps on going.

Even though only about 25 frames on both the S-75 is a big move up in power from the Break Solid, makes the Venom look smooth as a babies rump overall.

I did like the Venom it is what the BWP should have been at least they got it right this time around, length and big backend pop but oiler it is not.

 

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 05:48:19 PM »
Thanks for the review, Barry! I have never purchased a 900 Global, my brother has, but I would always stand behind their products. They make a good ball, and from what you're saying about the S-75, looks like they're making a GREAT ball.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 05:56:20 PM »
Wait till you see one of these on the lanes, pretty ball that keeps on trucking no quit I mean none. It looks like a compound polish and will need polish to use it more frames than oob, not slamming the Venom it will get used alot at South Point.

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 05:59:27 PM »
i may have to pick up this piece before my surgery, cause i dont think i could wait much longer.

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 06:23:43 PM »
I have to 2nd what Barry has said. This ball turns the corner harder than any ball I have ever drilled up and its getting stronger the more I use it.. which is what its supposed to do since its a version of the soaker cover stock..

If anyone is hesitant about getting this ball because its made by Global 900, don't be!! Phil, Eric, Nick and the boys in SA for sure know what they are doing and proof is in the pudding with this ball..

Thanks again Eric..


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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 08:21:02 PM »
The Break S75 is the ball to get. I got mine last week and I second what jkiser01 wrote about the ball. What mrbowlingnut has said is also true about the S75 Break.
I hope that by the end of next week I put more frames on the S75 so I can give a better description of what you can do with this or better still. What the S75 Break can do for my game. Get the S75 Break.

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2008, 09:20:38 PM »
How does the S75 compare to the Uprising?
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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 11:14:59 AM »
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Call it a Cell that goes longer and hits better at least in my case, looks alot like a bite in ball reaction but oob slightly more rolly looking and keeps on going.


Is the S75 a true heavy oil ball? What is the grit at box finish?

I want something that reads heavy / long pattern cos my Ultimate Inferno isn't doing much for me.

FYI, my Ultimate is the original one, not remake. Finish at 800-grit. Drilled to roll early, so it's not supposed to have a shape break at break-point.

I don’t want a ball that ‘goes long’ in a long pattern, I want something that reads mid-lane but still makes a move at break-point so I can have a better entry angle. Ideally it should also handle a bit of carry-down but that’d be asking for too much.

Does the S75 fit the bill?

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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 11:39:53 AM »
The marketing are the same for oil ratings so it is a fair comparison, just got both so threw both if you have a problem with that keep it yourself. Did I not say it would be more like a Bite or Cell also, well yes i did maybe that is hard for you to read??

I even said that the Venom is good ball but it is not an oiler at all, the marketing from Hammer states medium-medium heavy which is pushing it oob.

http://www.bowling.com/products/hammer-black-widow-venom.htm



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so you r comparing a ball designed for heavy oil with a surface to match against a ball designed to go long with a polish? nice comparison. test it against something designed 4 the same oil. try a cell, or regular black widow, ultimate inferno.

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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 01:44:35 PM »
Venom and S-75 are both polished so what is your point here??? I try to give real reviews on same exact drilled balls, I am not a staffer and help people save money from my no BS staffer hype.  

You would think that most would like what I do, but you can never be all things to all people.

Would you also like to hear that I threw a dulled Shift and Secret Agent and the S-75 was much stronger still ???

If you would like to feel free to put me ignore and you will never have to bother again with my biased opinions.


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since, as you say, "the marketing are the same", and this is a public message board, i was stating my opinion, sorry if i disagree with you, so i won't "keep it myself". i do not think you can compare a polished ball with a duller ball and draw any conclusion.
i am glad that you got 2 new balls.

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The marketing are the same for oil ratings so it is a fair comparison, just got both so threw both if you have a problem with that keep it yourself. Did I not say it would be more like a Bite or Cell also, well yes i did maybe that is hard for you to read??

I even said that the Venom is good ball but it is not an oiler at all, the marketing from Hammer states medium-medium heavy which is pushing it oob.

http://www.bowling.com/products/hammer-black-widow-venom.htm



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so you r comparing a ball designed for heavy oil with a surface to match against a ball designed to go long with a polish? nice comparison. test it against something designed 4 the same oil. try a cell, or regular black widow, ultimate inferno.



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Re: Wanna oiler that backends ??? Get one of these
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 02:17:54 PM »
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i am nottrying to start an argument, here is what the websites say about finish

break s75 is 600 grit sandpaper with rubbing compound
venom is 4000 abralon with powerhouse polish

it just didnt seem like a fair comparison to me thats all


Hammer's site says:

 
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Lethal Bite Reactive is our most aggressive coverstock to date, giving Venom more sharp backend motion on medium-heavy to medium oil lane conditions. Long and strong is a ridiculous understatement.
 


900 Global lists the condition for The Break S75 as "oily."


Doesn't matter what the OOB surface prep is.  You can't take both balls and say that they must have the same surface to be able to compare them.  The companies release a ball for a specified condition.  It doesn't matter if the ball is sanded to 320 or 4000 - the company chose to release the ball with a certain finish for a certain condition.


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