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White Hot vs. Honey?
« on: January 25, 2019, 09:17:23 AM »
I love my Honey Badger 70x6x35, waayyyyy more versatile than I thought.  I'm planning on getting a White Hot and a Claw to fit around it.

Question:  Has there been enough intel to answer this... If I drill a White Hot and Honey Badger the same with same cover prep, what is the difference and is it enough difference to have both?

Thanks!
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2019, 09:30:00 AM »
I honestly can't say that oob, having both won't overlap. Core shape being what it is, you may see a bit more of a rounded shape off of the spot. What does your HB do that you like so much?

Now I like the idea of the Claw in the lineup.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2019, 09:47:11 AM »
This season has been a struggle on house shots for some reason.  I bowl in a sport shot league in the Madison, WI area, but house shot tourneys have been frustrating. Not enough oil for my Fused (or it's a bad matchup) and my trusty Crux Pearl isn't so trusty.  Get the HB from a friend thinking it will be a later in the block ball, and it's forced me to start with it. 

I'm a high track (5 1/4 over 1/4 up) medium to lower revs stroker.  I can feel I can play a little more direct on the fresh with the HB, still finishes strong in the oil, doesn't over react too much off the dry.  Other balls move me in the oil 1 & 1 or 2 & 1 left and I leave a plethora of corners.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2019, 09:56:00 AM »
With a 6 inch pin to pap, it's going to keep the ball in front of you pretty good. I don't know if I'd drill the White Hot the same way, as I think it would give you a very similar look. I'd go with a 5*65 layout (usually that's a pin down) to give you a different look in the middle of the lane.

If you're considering a Claw as well (and honestly, who wouldn't want one in the bag??), Let me know and I can make a suggestion for you there too.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM »
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM »
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM »
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
I'll have to look when I get home, I know the pin is pretty high up, about middle of my bridge. I wanted length out of it to get through some of the dry but it keeps on skidding.  I'm a 2 fingered one handed bowler. I think the tour logo or one of the others ends up facing back at me and never moves from that axis.
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Impending Doom

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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2019, 02:01:50 PM »
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
I'll have to look when I get home, I know the pin is pretty high up, about middle of my bridge. I wanted length out of it to get through some of the dry but it keeps on skidding.  I'm a 2 fingered one handed bowler. I think the tour logo or one of the others ends up facing back at me and never moves from that axis.

Well, changing the surface won't change the flare but it will change he how it reads the lane, so it will transition from skid to hook earlier, thus not making it look like it's going 60 feet.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2019, 02:42:54 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
I'll have to look when I get home, I know the pin is pretty high up, about middle of my bridge. I wanted length out of it to get through some of the dry but it keeps on skidding.  I'm a 2 fingered one handed bowler. I think the tour logo or one of the others ends up facing back at me and never moves from that axis.

Well, changing the surface won't change the flare but it will change he how it reads the lane, so it will transition from skid to hook earlier, thus not making it look like it's going 60 feet.

I know, I just thought it was odd there was zero flare. Not sure on how much the ball would normally see though either. I had to order some pads, trying the CTD ones in 1/2/5k polish or whatever it was called to play with some surfaces on other balls too.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2019, 06:17:29 PM »
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
I'll have to look when I get home, I know the pin is pretty high up, about middle of my bridge. I wanted length out of it to get through some of the dry but it keeps on skidding.  I'm a 2 fingered one handed bowler. I think the tour logo or one of the others ends up facing back at me and never moves from that axis.

Well, changing the surface won't change the flare but it will change he how it reads the lane, so it will transition from skid to hook earlier, thus not making it look like it's going 60 feet.

I know, I just thought it was odd there was zero flare. Not sure on how much the ball would normally see though either. I had to order some pads, trying the CTD ones in 1/2/5k polish or whatever it was called to play with some surfaces on other balls too.

How is your Honey Badger laid out?
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2019, 11:31:01 AM »
In gather more White Hot information... here are a couple of things I've heard:

One staffer (lefty tweener) told me the White Hot is 4-5 boards stronger than his Honey Badger (not sure of drillings), mostly on the backend.

Another staffer (higher track, good revs) laid his out with a 3" pin to pap and it reminds him of the IQ Tour gold pearl. He didn't have a feel yet of how it compared to his longer pinned Honey Badgers.

And I watched a tweener lower track throw his and he said it's very long and very strong and still needed some oil upfront.  He made the comparison to his SonIQ which was much rollier and weaker than the White Hot.

That's a variety.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2019, 01:00:58 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
I'll have to look when I get home, I know the pin is pretty high up, about middle of my bridge. I wanted length out of it to get through some of the dry but it keeps on skidding.  I'm a 2 fingered one handed bowler. I think the tour logo or one of the others ends up facing back at me and never moves from that axis.

Well, changing the surface won't change the flare but it will change he how it reads the lane, so it will transition from skid to hook earlier, thus not making it look like it's going 60 feet.

I know, I just thought it was odd there was zero flare. Not sure on how much the ball would normally see though either. I had to order some pads, trying the CTD ones in 1/2/5k polish or whatever it was called to play with some surfaces on other balls too.

How is your Honey Badger laid out?

Forgot to take a pic last night, the PSO don't remember how he set it up. I know the pin is pretty high above the fingers. I'll try to remember to take a pic tonight.
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Re: White Hot vs. Honey?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2019, 08:43:05 AM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 27, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: calebg1981 on January 27, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on January 25, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: bowl868 on January 25, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Pin down has been condition specific for me... but I like the 5x65 suggestion, I might go with a smaller val angle (25-30deg) to complement the sharper nature of the ball.  The HB or Claw to start depending on oil volume, White Hot to move left with and get around the corner (as much as my release lets me lol).  Seems logical.  I was thinking a 4-4.5" pin for the Claw.  What do you think?  (and thanks.. I know you are 900 Global guy, but I really appreciate your knowledgable posts)

I like the stronger pin on the Claw. I've put a couple of people in a Claw 45*4.5*65 and they just kill with it. Strong, smooth, but not pukey downlane.

Also, thank you for the compliment. As a (OMG he's going to say it) staffer, it's my job, but it's also my pleasure. I love putting people in the best equipment in the business and that's not my contract talking.

I have both and noticed the WHB to be weaker than the gold, but was thinking it was supposed to be stronger til I saw a video earlier stating it would be weaker. It is in fact a little too weak for my house and I am debating on putting a little surface on it. My PSO suggested 2000, but what might you suggest? It tends to skid and never really pick up, and I'm not seeing any flare either.

Hit it with the 2000 and gague reaction. As far as the flare, how is it drilled? The Lacrate core is less dynamic than the Graphnel core
I'll have to look when I get home, I know the pin is pretty high up, about middle of my bridge. I wanted length out of it to get through some of the dry but it keeps on skidding.  I'm a 2 fingered one handed bowler. I think the tour logo or one of the others ends up facing back at me and never moves from that axis.

Well, changing the surface won't change the flare but it will change he how it reads the lane, so it will transition from skid to hook earlier, thus not making it look like it's going 60 feet.

I know, I just thought it was odd there was zero flare. Not sure on how much the ball would normally see though either. I had to order some pads, trying the CTD ones in 1/2/5k polish or whatever it was called to play with some surfaces on other balls too.

How is your Honey Badger laid out?

2 fingered, no thumb on my setup
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