Author Topic: Got a question about an AMF ball.... (Read 4243 times)

VAbowler · « **on:** August 27, 2006, 08:03:02 AM »

I've been posting lately about me wanting a second coming of a Triumph AMP. I had it drilled pretty much label, pin right above the ring finger (righty), w/label in palm. I used this ball on a THS, and it was great, it held if I pulled, came back if I let it go, due to control drilling and the particle pearl cover. I've wanted a 2nd version of this, and then realized I might've done something a lot of others do. I've been told the AMP was meant for med-heavy, and I threw it on just med conditions. So is this a case of strong ball, weak drilling? It seems like the label drill is for me, it gives good length, w/good backend. So I'm thinking of buying another particle pearl ball, maybe a double agent, and getting it label. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

revTrex · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2006, 05:08:19 PM »

First off, a Double Agent, drilled label with oob surface, is going to read the lane rather early, due to its low RG core design and strong cover. I do realize that the AMP's core had a low-medium RG/high diff as well -- however, in my opinion, the Double Agent rolls much earlier. I am no expert though on Storm products...perhaps you might ask this question there?

Secondly, AMF currently has the Venom as the particle pearl ball. Personally, I think that the Venom, with some surface adjustments, could be what you are looking for.

Third, and I am not trying to pick on you, you said the ball held when you pulled it, and came back when you let it go? Sorry, but most balls do this on a THS -- after all, that is one of the reasons why a house shot is so easy.

All in all, I think the Venom would be your best bet. Hope this helps (I was not trying to pick on you about the THS shot thing, just pointing it out for your sake).

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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2006, 09:23:38 PM »

See my reply in Drilling & Layouts:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=134206&ForumID=18&CategoryID=5
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ravynfox · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2006, 09:34:17 PM »

http://www.bowlingballinfo.com

here is a link to help u compare balls. you can easily without having to look at so many balls and so many websites and just go to this one site to see what balls from most companies best match the Triumph Amp!
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VAbowler · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2006, 09:36:53 PM »

Thanks for the info...So if the AMP had a low RG and high diff, and the DA also has a low RG and high diff (almost same specs), would putting a coat of polish on it help? Or would getting the U-turn PP and getting a label drill be better? Please know I have slower speed w/high revs.

Can someone explain exactly the reaction a label drilling gives? Cuz my AMP was pretty strong, stronger than my S&A w/sharp breakpoint drilling and my Venom, with pin up and cg kicked way out. I don't wanna redrill my Venom, b/c it would be for the 2nd time, but if it will give me the reaction I want, I will. Does a 2nd plug and redrill hurt?

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #5 on:** August 27, 2006, 09:48:38 PM »

I think so...I believe that is when they usually start to get doggy!

REgards,

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2006, 10:29:16 PM »

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Thanks for the info...So if the AMP had a low RG and high diff, and the DA also has a low RG and high diff (almost same specs), would putting a coat of polish on it help?

I can't say for sure, since I never tried that. Every ball is different to one degree or another.

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Or would getting the U-turn PP and getting a label drill be better? Please know I have slower speed w/high revs.

I'm inclined to lean in that direction.

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Can someone explain exactly the reaction a label drilling gives? Cuz my AMP was pretty strong, stronger than my S&A w/sharp breakpoint drilling and my Venom, with pin up and cg kicked way out. I don't wanna redrill my Venom, b/c it would be for the 2nd time, but if it will give me the reaction I want, I will. Does a 2nd plug and redrill hurt?

1. The Shock and Awe is a much stronger ball than the Amp or the Venom and it needs much more oil to work properly, PLUS being a mass bias (asymmetric core) ball it is much more sensitive to the correct drilling for your delivery. I wouldn't be surprised if it was burning up early and not hooking much. The right oil pattern for the AMP will rarely be the right one for the S&A, in my experience.

2. The Venom could be close to the AMP in general ( I forgot it when I was writing my original reply), but I suspect not. I'm more inclined to believe the U-Turn Particle pearl will be closer to the AMP, overall. However, it's too hard to say with any degree of confidence that it will be close enough to satisfy you.

3. A label drill is not definitive. Unless you're talking about the distance of the pin and the CG (or the MB) from your PAP, a label drill can be almost anything. So for different balls and for different releases, they can be as different as day and night.

4. In the vaguest general terms, a lable drill offers a degree of control for a slow ball speed, higher than average revs bowler. That's probably why it worked well for you on medium oil.

5. If your Venom is drilled with the pin above the ring & CG kicked out, and the AMP was drilled with the pin also above the ring and CG near the grip center
AND they were not close in overall reaction, that tells you they are too different, as I suspected.

From the tests I have read so far, I still think the U-Turn is closest to the AMP, among the particle pearls available today. That said, there are many polished resin balls today that could be close to the AMP but they are either "plain" pearls or polished solids. There's been a lot of very strong coverstocks created recently. Plus many manufacturers are either no longer making particles or making very few of them.

There are several non-particle pearls balls worth considering as replacements: Storm Thunderstruck solid, Legends Masterpiece, Track Heat Blast, Columbia Action Packed, AMF Radar, Brunswick Absolute Inferno, Polish up a Brunswick Wizard, Roto-Grip RS-X, all of which have the potential to suit your purposes: handle medium oil with a lable drill with decent length and recovery.

Check out discussions of these balls in the forums and in the reviews (be careful of some reviews as they have little useful information.)

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Track900 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2006, 10:56:25 AM »

You mentioned that the AMP was particle pearl?

The AMP is a solid particle the straight Triumph was the particle pearl in that series. Not understanding your post what type of reaction are you looking for on what type of condition. Going by the reaction that you stated you are getting I am assuming your AMP has a goldish color pin?

If you ever run across an AMP with a white pin, it was the AMP TOUR, same coverstock but it had alot milder core very similar to the red pulse. Fantastic ball on sport conditions, or lanes that get very spotty. Both are great balls.

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2006, 11:15:20 AM »

Track900 wrote:

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You mentioned that the AMP was particle pearl? The AMP is a solid particle the straight Triumph was the particle pearl in that series....quote]

Darn, you're right, now that I think of it. I was shocked at this ball's reaction when I first saw the reviews, given that it was a solid but polished particle ball. It acted more like a pearl than it acted like a particle pearl.

Still it's a ball's reaction that he's looking for whether he knows it or not, not a ball's composition. I'm still inclined to think the U-Turn Particle Pearl is the closest in overall reaction, out of the box. Other balls, if you modify their cover, may also be close.

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VAbowler · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2006, 09:53:17 PM »

Well, I checked the specs on the U turn PP, they're really not close to the AMP, higher rg, lower diff than the AMP. And yes, I found out it is a particle solid, with polish. Any balls out now that can compare? The DA's specs are similar, w/the exception of the matte finish. What would a label drill do to a Morich AF? I know that ball is way off, but I've heard good things about this ball.

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** August 28, 2006, 10:25:31 PM »

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Well, I checked the specs on the U turn PP, they're really not close to the AMP, higher rg, lower diff than the AMP.

I've said this before but maybe you missed it.

You buy a ball reaction, you don't buy a ball. Specs mean less than nothing because they can be VERY misleading.

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And yes, I found out it is a particle solid, with polish. Any balls out now that can compare?

I have never seen any solid polished particle ball that acted like the AMP does. And that is exactly what I meant by my statements above, in this reply.

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The DA's specs are similar, w/the exception of the matte finish. What would a label drill do to a Morich AF? I know that ball is way off, but I've heard good things about this ball.

you can't drill a mass bias balls, like MoRich balls, label. Their cores do not work like symmetric cores.

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VAbowler · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2006, 10:35:34 PM »

Thanks for the info. U-turn PP, huh? I hope it's a good ball.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** August 29, 2006, 01:04:54 AM »

Just to be precise. One can drill mass bias balls label and also mass bias negative....if the mass bias is lower than high! Typically a mass bias rating of .019 and up is too strong to put the mass bias on the track side of the ball.

Many mass bias balls can have the mass bias on the track side...includeing a bunch of morich's 2 years ago stuff Ravage, Mayhem Sahara, the Columbia drives,
Storm Deuce and X factor. It is the new higher MB balls like the Awesome hook, and Awesome Flip and Shock and Awe...that cannot put mass bias on the track side of the ball. Usually MB around .025. This action of putting mass bias on track seems to confuse these high mass bias balls! Other balls that tended to not like mass bias on the track side are the XXX, XXXextreme, Vertigo, Trifecta.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** August 29, 2006, 08:30:57 AM »

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Thanks for the info. U-turn PP, huh? I hope it's a good ball.

It's a good ball, but it's not guaranteed to work for you. How to drill it and how to adjust the surface, if needed, is up to you and your driller.

This is not a cut and dried, black and white issue. There are far too many variables involved to guarantee anything.
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