Author Topic: Well, just picked up my first AMF ball in the post-Columbia era...UPDATE (hey charlest) (Read 4640 times)

JessN16 · « **on:** January 28, 2009, 11:06:59 AM »

I've got a Heist coming. AMF used to be my favorite company and I'll be interested to see if I match up better now that 900Global has an interest in the company, because the Columbia years were not good to me.

I purposefully picked out a ball with a 1.5-inch pin and 1.5-oz top weight to do an experiment on. I have a friend who suggested a drilling where the pin is drilled out by the middle finger (I was planning to do that, anyway) but the CG is drilled out (more mostly drilled out) by the ring. He likes the reaction this gives him, although he's not as adept at explaining exactly what that reaction actually is (just said it was smooth and he could score with it).

Given that I drill up a bunch of stuff and have my own shop in the back yard, this seems like a perfect time to experiment. Any feedback you guys want to throw at me, I'll take it.

My last AMF ball was a Velocity. We didn't exactly get along.

Jess

Edited on 2/10/2009 9:23 PM

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2009, 07:36:13 PM »

Hmmm. That is a very interesting drilling.
The Heist is already considered to be a relatively even reacting ball with normal drillings. Unless your release makes balls have a skid/flip type of reaction, if this drilling does make balls more even reacting, like a Rico drill does, couldn't this make the ball hit flat or carry less well?

I don't know. I'm just asking.

In any case, I'd love to hear how it reacts compared to other balls you throw.
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JessN16 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2009, 07:56:24 PM »

I have nearly 90 degrees of axis rotation, so I frequently do have a problem with balls doing too much downlane. It's one of the reasons I've thrown a lot more Lane #1 stuff lately because their gear, for me, tends to roll more than go all crazy on the backend.

I have a couple of balls (Storm Thunder series) drilled Rico and while I like them very much, my current house doesn't have enough oil in the heads. By the middle of the first game, I'm already moving way too left with Rico-drilled balls and leaving flat 10s.

Pin-in-the-middle-finger is going to be a 5-inch pin for me (PAP 4 over 3/8 up), so I don't think I'll have to worry about it rolling too soon. CG in the ring is going to put the theoretical pre-drill mass bias around 2 inches past my PAP in the finger-positive quadrant, which once drilled should let it migrate toward the thumb (if not all the way there). I'll definitely keep you updated on how this works.

Jess

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2009, 08:10:32 PM »

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I have nearly 90 degrees of axis rotation, so I frequently do have a problem with balls doing too much downlane. It's one of the reasons I've thrown a lot more Lane #1 stuff lately because their gear, for me, tends to roll more than go all crazy on the backend.

That should definitely counterbalance the drilling.

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I have a couple of balls (Storm Thunder series) drilled Rico and while I like them very much, my current house doesn't have enough oil in the heads. By the middle of the first game, I'm already moving way too left with Rico-drilled balls and leaving flat 10s.

Yes, in general that drill is to help a ball handle more oil. Usually the backend is not there for 4th arrow and deeper shots. But you 90 degrees of rotation should help that a little.

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Pin-in-the-middle-finger is going to be a 5-inch pin for me (PAP 4 over 3/8 up), so I don't think I'll have to worry about it rolling too soon. CG in the ring is going to put the theoretical pre-drill mass bias around 2 inches past my PAP in the finger-positive quadrant, which once drilled should let it migrate toward the thumb (if not all the way there). I'll definitely keep you updated on how this works.

Jess

Again, good luck with it. I love interesting/different drills.
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jbruno6 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2009, 07:11:10 AM »

I just bought a NIB Heist off Tekneek about a month ago with a 3.5 inch pin, 2.5 top? I kept at OOB which is 1500 with light buff. I am considered a rev dominant tweener, pap of 5 1/2 over, so Steve put the pin right next to ring (4:00), cg below slightly right. The ball is giving me a Storm Dimension reaction. The Dimension has been an eye opener to me over the past 6 months, a great ball. I wanted to play around with the Heist because of its value, and its good reviews everywhere. Don't know what else to say, I actually have to bring it up to 2000 possibly 4000 because it is too close to the Dimension (@4000). A ball that is too close to the Dimension NIB for $65 shipped. I love value! A very even arcing, strong ball, and I have tried alot of balls out there. The Dimension, Heist, Razyr, Code, Blue Vibe, Black Widow, and Big Shot are the only balls I like to talk about. They are all good all the time. Good luck with the drill, sounds interesting, let us know.
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2009, 11:26:38 AM »

the heist is an awesome ball, and overlooked.

As I have said before. It will be a ball that will never leave my bag.
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2009, 11:34:14 AM »

Bought a color blem from Tekneek ball rolls great, stronger than it supposed to be and hit is above average almost like a Mack Truck J/K

Sneaky strong with great control, cannot go wrong with it your drilling will force you to play more direct but you already know that so who cares.

scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2009, 12:06:19 PM »

Imo......Hei$t is one of the best readable benchmark balls out there for any company.

Even when I use more axis rotation coming more around the side of it....if inside Hei$t still is a even reacting arcing ball movement.

If that's what you are looking for you'll like the ball.
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JessN16 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2009, 06:06:05 PM »

I posted this in the Drillings & Layouts forum, too, but it appears I may be "inventing" a drill pattern here. I misunderstood what the guy was trying to tell me about his ball and he does not have the CG in the ring, so this will be a real experiment.

The ball arrives Wednesday, and I'll have it tested by Tuesday, Feb. 10.

Jess

JessN16 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2009, 08:23:02 PM »

Test drove it for the first time tonight -- interesting roll.

Ball is very smooth, which I was expecting. I'll post a full review over the weekend but I did indeed drill it middle through the pin, ring through the CG.

Best I can describe is that it allows the ball, in box finish (which feels rather rough to me -- wasn't expecting that) to still retain energy through the heads. This drill pattern ends up being something like 5x3.75 or 5x4 for me, so that's to be expected.

Once it starts to move, though, it moves like a Rico drill -- very strong roll, great continuation through the pins.

I can't say I bowled real well tonight but then again, I used six different balls and didn't get my first double until the 10th frame of the last game. I left more 10-pins tonight than I've left in the last month on this league combined. Seven of the eight bowlers on the pair were under their average.

There is a point where the rough surface of this ball takes over and it becomes just too dry to throw. That point was the third frame of the third game for me tonight and I had to put it up. I ended up finishing with an old Storm Thunder and one of Storm's new overseas balls playing fourth arrow, if that tells you anything. And I rarely play that deep.

If I put some polish on this thing I have a feeling I'd like it a lot. Or, if I was bowling on higher oil volume.

Jess

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2009, 10:22:32 PM »

Jess,

Sorry your test ground was so crappy.
Odd that your ball was "rough"? That finish is usually fairly smooth, almost but not quite polished. Try it some more before changing it, of course.

Please post again when you find a more "normal" oil pattern so you can tell us about the hitting strength plus consistency of reaction. Heist is usually on the more even side. Put that is an unsusual drill (Plus your 4th finger hole removes more top and finger weight. You might not have needed so small a starting top weight.)
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JessN16 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2009, 01:18:44 PM »

It felt like the surface was about 500 or 600, but it probably wasn't.

I think there was as much "operator error" as there was a crappy test bed.

Until the 10th frame of the last game, I was getting my best look out of The Heist. I wasn't getting a grand look out of any of them, but it was the best of the bunch.

Jess

rymacatthedisco · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2009, 05:49:03 PM »

i drilled my bounty like that, the pin is in the middle finger and cg is in the ring finger with the mb kicked few inches right of the thumb...ball is phenominal!!! just rolls and rolls off the spot and gets through the deck very well which gives me great carry, no 300 yet, but oh well averaging 230 with the ball over 5 sets so cant complain
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