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They're using this new epoxy cover which is a completely different material ever put on a bowling ball.  Brian Voss threw a testball using the cover at Bowl Expo and it was in the left gutter at 45 feet AFTER they triple oiled the lanes and the Triumph TNT went straight as a dart.  The ball is a light blue/white swirl which looks very reminiscent of the old Omega and get this....

....it comes with a "built in" resurface meter.  Now that seems a little far fetched and complex but it's really not.  The ball literally soaks in oil.  You can drop a few drops of lane oil on the ball and watch it dissolve into the coverstock.  What I mean by built in resurfacing meter is that the more you use it the darker color of blue your track will get.  After about 100 games, the track will become a noticable dark navy blue than the rest of the ball, then you have to resurface it.  After the fresh resurfacing you will get about another 50-75 games out of it, then after that one about 30-50 games, then after that it's done, you'll have to get a new one.  

There's no word on when they will release this ball or coverstock concept, but if they do, no center will be able to create a colume big enough to warrant this ball.  Even if they did, every other ball would become obsolete and there would be a race between companies to copy this type of material.

What does everyone think about this?
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Re: AMF is about to make the ball that will KILL the bowling industry.
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2004, 09:18:10 PM »
thats just stupid! Whats the point? Soon alley's will be putting out oil too heavy for anything except that, and if they dont no one will ever use the ball! EVER! Everyone will be throwing 100 grit high load particle up 1.
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Re: AMF is about to make the ball that will KILL the bowling industry.
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 09:19:51 PM »
Old newz...

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=56606&ForumID=1&CategoryID=2

They still have to figure out production issues involving the initial cure time of the coverstock.  Until they do, who cares?
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Re: AMF is about to make the ball that will KILL the bowling industry.
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2004, 09:53:19 PM »
I have seen this ball in action along with 2 other variations of the ball.

I hope that AMF follows through with this ball. The bowling industry needs something fresh and new.

The issue right now is the cure time. Regualr bowling balls will cure to the point that they can be removed from their molds in under an hour. The epoxy covered ball requires 6+ hours to cure.

I am hoping this works...maybe then AMF can turn the corner and come back to be a player again in the industry.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2004, 10:31:41 PM »
Doug, could you please elaborate on why you think this ball needs to be made?  

It would seem to me that this ball will make it even easier for the revless to compete even though they have a complete lack of technique.  Once again making the margin of error even greater while not really making the reward for quality shots higher.  

You are definatley one of the more educated bowling guys out there, so I'm interested as to why you think this will be good for bowling.  No doubt that it would be a boost for the AMF name, but I don't think it will help bowling.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2004, 10:34:56 PM »
Once again we have plenty of people taking about what they don't know about.
Doug is the only one that has made a post here that understands what the Epoxy balls are about.
To add to Doug's post,AMF is going to make 1 maybe 2 of these balls that will benefit the person with less hand and the person with more hand.
AMF realizes these balls will change the bowling ball industry as we know it today,but do you actually think that they would take time developing this ball and testing it,if they could not change the Characteristic of the ball to suit the lane oils that they actually sell. It will be a great ball and look for it about Jan of 2005 !!!!
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2004, 11:57:39 PM »
I have also witnessed this technology, and i use alot of the AMF300 balls.The ball i saw was a dark purple. I spoke with dale for an extended period of time. Him and Mike the west coast sales cordinator, talked about this ball.

it has it's good and bad sides. dale mentioned they had a product very similar to ebonite's hook again to aid in extending this ball's useful life.

this ball does indeed create alot of friction. but ask dale mentioned, this was just one example of how far they can go within the spectrum of hook. they can re formulate the epoxy to hook less, but still have the oil consumption qualities.

From what i have heard is that this has been sitting on Columbia industries R&D dept for nearly 10 years. And it was basically explained to me that with this ball, core means nothing. the example i saw had i believe just pancake core inside if i am correct. I also noted that the ball had no noticable oil on it when it returned on the ball return.

Of course i asked a friend that deals with epoxy and things of this nature. This ball would have of course a long curing time and tempurature would be extremely important. A ball like this would be very sensitive to tempurature, heat and cold would be deadly for this ball, because epoxy would expand and contract much more than resin would. so this ball would be very very prone to cracking. So this ball may not be a good idea in colder climates, or even in hotter climates as well.

Hence this ball would be incredibley expensive, if it really did take so long to develop i think columbia and AMF300 would like to recap some of the money pumped into this project. Plus if it does indeed become more prone to cracking, warrenty issues and replacement balls might be forcing per ball expense even higher.

This could be the next Quantum Helix, and Double Helix. the extreme high end market, setting a new bench mark price that could even make most Lane1 fanatics saying, whoa lil pricey.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2004, 12:39:05 AM »
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This could be the next Quantum Helix, and Double Helix. the extreme high end market, setting a new bench mark price that could even make most Lane1 fanatics saying, whoa lil pricey.
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If i remember correctly...those helix's ended up being sold for 15$ at a chain sporting goods store. If amf wants an awesome ball, re release the nighthawks. On the note of this new ball..hmmm.. think it would be at all possible that either the pba and or the abc would ban this ball? Kinda like the pba did with the roto sd 73, only that wasn't allowed because of the softness.
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Re: AMF is about to make the ball that will KILL the bowling industry.
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2004, 12:47:10 AM »
I believe AMF makes very good bowling balls and has been making very good bowling balls.

All the Evolutions hit like!!  The triumphs look real good!
Guys around here are tearing it up with the original Triumph and the Scamp.  The TNT is very good!

The nighthawks were very good.

The only thing they lacked in the past were good colors.  Now they have em.

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PS the guy throwing the Triumph green and yellow tonight is so good it is sick!
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2004, 06:00:34 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
John K,

It's a vicious changing world. 3 weeks ago I had to use my Blue Dot the whole 3rd game of 1st shift league. 2 nights ago in the same league I used my Lanemasters New Standard which I had polished lightly; I really needed it dulled but I never thought I would ever see this much oil again.

same house, same league going from a Blue Dot rock hard polyester, being too much balls, to a diamond encrusted particle solid ball, being too little ball?????
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2004, 01:14:09 PM »
Here is a Qoute from Dale N. You can check it out yourself at AMF300.com

 
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I was wondering when someone might ask a question about this product. This is Dale Niemela, President of AMF300. I will try to give a brief answer. This product takes much more precision and control to make. A change in the % of mixtures creates different friction. Consequently we are having to install new equipment to build these balls. So far we are amazed at what we can do. Trying to chose the right one to promote and sell is an issue. With this stuff, changing the mixture (not the core or the drilling layout) we can dial in the amount of friction. We can make a ball that reacts like current line balls, one that hooks less, one that makes you move 10 left with your feet from where you would be for current line "hookers" or make one that hooks when EVERYTHING ELSE goes straight. It's like choosing between a wedge, a 7-iron, a 5-iron, a 3-wood or a driver. Our delema is choosing which player gets the biggest benefit from the first one we introduce - the player that hooks it a lot, not so much hook or has never hooked the ball in his or her life? This is like when the Black Angle came out to take over from the Yellow Dot. It's going to be a lot of fun for a lot of people - especially me!

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2004, 01:23:27 PM »
Someone please tell me what living inside the box creates??? So far almost all i hear is negativity. Technology breeds advancement so why not utilize it. I don't hear you guys complain about the internet or microwaves both of which changed the way we think about certain standard processes. As far as cure time, I'm positive they will bridge that gap fairly soon. The large amount of fillers which directly affect cure are almost endless. This can also address the idea of having to worry about temperature. I would love to see chracteristic numbers like durometer(hardness), porosity, etc. I personally would like to see a thermo-plastic utilized due to its abrasion resistance but who knows that might be one of many fillers utilized to make this product come to market by then. If any you AMF boys are reading, I'll gladly take a seed ball to test at any point in time.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2004, 11:43:19 PM »
The other day I overheard, $400 at least and in a few months.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2004, 02:39:44 AM »
A ball I can't keep on the lanes. Who needs that?