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jasonp82

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Ball Question
« on: September 29, 2007, 05:48:17 PM »
Hi everyone,
I’m going through a bit of a dilemma about bowling balls.  I’ve been bowling about 3 years, primarily at the same house and have always coached myself (I am an unorthadox bowler).  I managed to finish with a 194 average last season and I’ve shot a 299 in league, in 2006.  I took the summer off, for the first time since I began bowling in 2003, and while I don’t think my skills have went down, I am not shooting that well so far this fall.  The house I mainly shoot at changed their oil pattern over the summer and I’m paying the price this fall.  I’m okay at adjusting most of the time, but this adjustment forces me to bowl how I don’t feel comfortable (over 3rd arrow generally instead of 2nd, like I generally shoot).  

With the bowling ball selection I have, I can’t go 2nd arrow and consistently hit the pocket (it hits too high or goes left).  Instead of trying to bowl how I feel uncomfortable, I’ve decided it’s time to get a bowl appropriate for this bowling alley.  I need a ball that hooks LESS – for the first time ever.  I’m not used to going downhill, and the only ‘scale’ that I can find for a bowling ball’s hook power is bowlingball.com – they have a “perfect scale” for every ball that helps determine which balls hook more, etc.  

Out of the balls I’ve liked the most, a “perfect scale” of 185 seems to work about right, or at least it used to.  I had an AMF Velocity and Columbia Backyard Bully.  I tend to like AMF balls the most.  I am eyeing the AMF “Radar Lock”, which has a perfect scale of 156 I believe.  I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts, or any other way to compare balls other than the “perfect scale”?  I just need something that hooks less.  I am so comfortable with going “down and in”, over the 2nd arrow – even for spares (I just move where I stand) and it’s worked so well for me in the past.  Now, I feel like I’m starting bowling all over again.  ;-/.

 

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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2007, 04:19:39 AM »
Radar Lock = WILL NOT HOOK LESS THAN THE OTHER BALLS MENTIONED.

Bowlingball.com's perfect scale is ridiculously deceiving. I have no idea how they get the numbers they get.

That being said, consider something that is not AMF, but is quite related. A 900 Global Creature (900G makes AMF balls now, if you didn't know) might work, especially if drilled a little weaker (say, 5x4). If you really think you need less than that (the Creature is a lower differential solid reactive, that still gets pretty good length with decent backend), I would venture to say that you are then looking for a ball for dry lanes...which I don't think is what you described. Still, you might find success with either an AMF Orbit Extreme (either solid or pearl version) or a ball with a three-piece core design (if it comes to that).

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2007, 09:54:48 AM »
Sounds like you are saying your current balls are hooking too soon, so you need more length.  Possibly the house shortened the pattern, or maybe even just moved to a lower volume of oil.

You could get another ball, or you could also try polishing one of your balls to see if that will get you the extra length.

You really would be best served to learn how to play the lanes.  You should try to avoid getting into the mentality that you need a ball for every possible condition - trust me, I know!
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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2007, 11:34:31 AM »
I agree with RevTrex.  I think the Creature from 900Global would work great.  If you pro shop does not carry 900Global he can contact Eric Thomas and order one for the you.  Now if you don't want the Creature I would definately recommend getting an Ordit Extreme either Pearl or Solid.  You could also go with a weeker drilling on the AMF Nighthawk.  Talk to your proshop since he knows your game and see what he thinks.  Just to let you know ahead of time he probably will not know about the Creature and cannot order these through distributors.  He will have to order yours direct from 900Global.  If you have any questions feel free to message me.

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jasonp82

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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2007, 01:00:54 PM »
Hi everyone,
Well, I have tried many adjustments - and to be honest, I need a new ball anyway.  It's been over a year since I've bought a new one.  I generally don't immediately think I need a new ball - but the house has shortened the oil pattern a lot. I do have one more idea (a couple actually) that I am going to try to play this week in league, and I'm going to research "The Creature" ball, as I've never actually heard of it before.  I know a lot of the balls on the market, but when it comes to the technical aspects of them, I'm still learning a lot.  I generally just go by the hook rating, and then go from there - which is probably a novice way to go about it.

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2007, 01:56:34 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ??????????????????????????

Blast Zone and Sure Fire? We need something with length + some control, not a ball for medium-heavy.


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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2007, 02:42:31 PM »
He wants to play further right, and will thus need more length and a more controlled backend.

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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 02:51:12 PM »
Too bad that you are set on AMF.  The Centaur by Visionary would be perfect.  It is a solid reactive that has low differential and is "perfect" for length and control.
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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2007, 10:21:12 PM »
Orbit Xtreme or The Creature should suit your needs.  Both have the same cover (Super-Flex), which is very durable and versatile.  I have them both, but have only thrown the Creature for a few frames, so I can't really give much of a review.  The Orbit Xtreme is a great ball - you want to play straighter, it can.  You want to crank it, it will do that as well.  You can pick the Xtreme up for under $65 shipped (http://www.bowlingballsales.com/display.asp?sku=AMF124651 or http://www.bowlingballsales.com/display.asp?sku=AMF140651).
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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 08:13:00 PM »
you guys are confusing me... lol.

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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 12:03:47 PM »
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The two best balls for what your describing are: Brunswick Blast zone and Storm Sure Fire.

Personally I wouldn't throw Brunswick because their customer service sucks and they don't care to take care of customer complaints, they refer you to the Pro Shop so go with the Storm Sure Fire.


If Jason describes what he is in need of, these two (2) are out of the question. Also, the Radar Lock is more aggressive than the Velocity and the Backyard Bully so that is a no. The Creature would be a good ball for the specifics on what your looking for and even the Orbit Extreme. PM me for any questions.
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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 07:50:55 PM »
From my research, it sounds like those are 'beginner' bowling balls.  Is a beginner ball really what I need after bowling for 3+ years and finishing last year with a 194?  I just need something less aggressive - in my opinion.  I'm hitting too high when I go 2nd arrow, and on 3rd arrow, which I don't like, I sometimes hit well, but not always.. it's just an iffy shot, which is why I don't feel comfortable with it.  It's not because I don't like change.  Most of the balls I throw the most and have thrown successfully are on the aggressive side - AMF Velocity, AMF Maximum Velocity, Columbia Backyard Bully, Storm La Nina, etc.  All of those are a bit too aggressive and hook too much for my house's current lane conditions even when I adjust quite a bit it seems.  I have managed to find an old Columbia Cuda? ball, which is a ball I bought used a while back and I think it's probably the 'weakest' ball I have.  I will have to try it out

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 08:04:37 PM »
What you need to understand is that "entry level price" or "mid price" or "mid plus" does not equal performance, and do not define what bowlers should use what ball. The ball you choose should be the ball you need, plain and simple, and factors like "oh, but it's not $225 at my pro shop" should not, under any means, enter into the equation.

By no means are the Creature or Orbit Extreme not going to perform with the best balls on the market for the conditions you want them for. The Creature is a perfect choice for when you need length + control, and the Orbit Extreme would just be a slight step down in terms of aggressiveness.

"Do I really need a beginner ball after three years of bowling?" -- let me assure you, again, that what you need is what you need. Why not enjoy the fact that you won't be throwing away your hard-earned cash for a ball that will simply be too aggressive? If what you are saying was true, there would be no reason that folks like Bo and I would be throwing the Creature, the Orbit Extreme, the new Black Angle urethane, etc...it simply wouldn't make sense for us "experienced" bowlers to do so. But we do throw those balls (and I can also assure you, we have more than three years experience doing so), because they give us the look on the lanes we need. Plain and simple, there is no reason to bash a ball, or not have one, because "it seems to cost a little less than the other balls."

If you want to play the second arrow, and get the length necessary to do so on the condition you described, you need a less aggressive ball. That ball is either a Creature or Orbit Extreme.


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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 09:45:39 PM »
hmm.. well price was never an object with me, but I will take your advice and given I like AMF balls, I'm going to look into the AMF Orbit Extreme

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Re: Ball Question
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 09:50:47 PM »
Do give the Creature a look though, too. If your pro shop doesn't carry them (as they may certainly not), contact Eric Thomas or Bo, and I am sure they can assist you in getting a 900G ball. Also realize that there is both a solid and a pearl version of the AMF Orbit Extreme. The solid is slightly stronger, but not by much, with a slightly more arcing breakpoint.

Hope this helps, and if you have any other questions, just ask.