So far, everyone seems to be going 5 inch pin to pap. Notice any actual pop with the 5 inch pin? Since my Train fiasco, I don't think I know anything about laying a strong symmetrical ball lol.

Yes, definitely has some backend pop. I forgot to mention that I was seeing 6" + of flare. My layout on this was one I have used on the Favorite, Sure Thing, King Cobra, and Grip It. Definitely moves harder off the dry than than those mentioned above. Pin up layouts match up better for me and I find better results with the 5" pin. I pretty much stay with 4 layouts that seem to cover everything for my game. I know there had been some discontent with the Train line. However, this core and cover so far seem to be a great match up.

What kind of layout you use on the Train Doom?

My first Train I laid out 60x5x65, and it was very early and smooth. Too early at every surface I had it at.

Then I got another Train, and a Freight Train. Drilled those 60x4.5x30, and my Freight Train is only useful on Mediums, and then it goes dead left off the spot. The second Train just seemed to never do anything as well. I may just not match up well to that weightblock, and I am OK with that. I thought that maybe if I drilled one stronger with a hole down it might be better, but I am OK with not finding out.

I think the problem (at least for me) with the Train is that cover. The s76 hybrid for me was just a very weird cover. I did shoot 299 with the the Train and 298 with the Bank Roll but they were both very weird balls to say the least. One time using them they would seem awesome and the next time they would literally go dead straight. The day I shot 298 with the Bank Roll I had an awesome look and all the sudden in the middle of the next game I threw what I thought was a great shot and it hit the 6 pin in the face. Thinking maybe it was a fluke stuck with it and did it again. That cover was just weird for me. It was like out of no where it would go dead straight. I think it was just thrived on oil and if it wasn't there it was game over. I did put a coat of control it on the Bank Roll and it turned into a monster. Might want to try it on the Train if you still have it.....I did love the Train when I first got it and bought a 2nd but the love turned into a love/hate real fast. Never really could get a grip on what that cover wanted....

Also the Train core was funky too because the pin actually ends up not marking the actual low rg axis. Something about the core design moved it. I don't remember the exact specifics but If I remember right it moved the low rg axis almost 3/4" up on a line from the pin through the cg. So a 60 x 4.5 x 30 may have ended up being a 60 x 5 x 15 which would transition super fast in the back and make it pretty condition specific. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah it happens for sure. I've had a handful of the SA balls just not match up for me. But I've had way more that were really good. And even the ones i didnt match up with still had their days.....just how it goes

Finally had a chance to get some games on this ball this past week. So far so good. I am really liking the results so far. I had a chance to use it for all 3 games in league this past week. The results: 230, 278, 269; 777. Just like the Network, the further left I moved, the better the reaction. I left no 10 pins left, one 7 pin left and a 4 pin. Very predictable and smooth ball motion. Layout is the same as my Grip It at 60*x5"x45*. Just like I was hearing, very similar motion as the Favorite, but stronger cover. If I was to miss right, it didn't over-react and come trucking back. It held line and struck. Never had any issues on wondering if it was going to carry or not. Definitely look forward to putting some more games on this one.