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APheLion

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Darkness burning up, HELP!
« on: October 08, 2014, 03:02:10 PM »
I just picked up a Darkness, i think its drilled axis leverage, the intention is for this ball to go above my rogue cell.

Yesterday they oiled the lanes a bit different, my infinite theory slided forever, rogue cell was ok but was lacking of backend and couldnt face the pocket. So i pull out the Darkness, but couldnt get a reaction out of it. it started to arc at the heads and then went dead straight. i didnt really get what was going on, but started to see that the ball was pretty much set half way down the lane.

My guess is it was a thin long oil so both of my RG balls skid too long but not enough for this hooking monster.

Please gimme a help on adjusting this ball to go above the rogue cell and not let it burn up. BTW, i ve seen great reviews on this ball, but i just couldnt get it to the skid phase, what could i possibly do?

 

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 04:18:48 PM »
What surface do you have it at?

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 10:46:40 PM »
I just picked up a Darkness, i think its drilled axis leverage, the intention is for this ball to go above my rogue cell.

Yesterday they oiled the lanes a bit different, my infinite theory slided forever, rogue cell was ok but was lacking of backend and couldnt face the pocket. So i pull out the Darkness, but couldnt get a reaction out of it. it started to arc at the heads and then went dead straight. i didnt really get what was going on, but started to see that the ball was pretty much set half way down the lane.

My guess is it was a thin long oil so both of my RG balls skid too long but not enough for this hooking monster.

If the Darkness was hooking at the heads as you mention and then rolling straight, IMO it was not meant for that pattern.  What most likely happened is that the ball used up all the energy in front and then burned out due to lack of heavy oil.  Now,if something is long oil, it doesn't mean that you have true heavy volume for which that ball is designed for. 

The Rogue Cell probably faced a little better due to the hybrid cover not being as strong as the solid from the Darkness as it could retain more energy downlane.  But having a Rogue Cell, it's still a strong ball that is meant for heavier patterns.

When I had my Infinite Theory, it was more of a medium oil ball at best.  Short medium patterns worked well, longer patterns did not as it would skid too much.  I eventually sold it as it didn't match up well to my game and was not as versatile as other balls in my bag.

Overall, I don't think you'll necessarily need to adjust the actual surface of the Darkness.  On longer patterns with less volume, I would go with something a little weaker and square up the angles.  This way, you can keep the ball more in play while keeping more energy stored in the ball for the backend.
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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2014, 11:07:49 PM »
What surface do you have it at?

I have it OOB for now

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 09:38:23 AM »
The Darkness is a very strong early ball. I'd like to know how yours is drilled, in comparision to your PAP. Sounds like it was puking. Did you try getting into the oil?

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 01:27:03 AM »
The Darkness is a very strong early ball. I'd like to know how yours is drilled, in comparision to your PAP. Sounds like it was puking. Did you try getting into the oil?

I certainly did, it did the same thing, arc'ed a bit on the heads and then never made a move down the lane. After adding a piece of tape, i saw the ball getting into the roll phase very quickly.

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 11:00:36 AM »
Yeah, you're going to need more volume up front, or take the surface to maybe 2000 with polish.

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 01:24:12 PM »
Axis leverage? I'm assuming either it's a really short pin to pap or the pin and cg are in line along the midline. Either one of those will limit how much energy the ball can hold on to. This is why you are see the ball start so early and then have no offering for the back part of the lane.

The layout, if I am correct, is designing a ball shape that plays very little bump so you cannot swing the ball out. Straighter angles will be what this ball and layout will excel at. As mentioned would like to see what the layout is and how it relates to your stats. Also if a weight hole is involved.
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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 01:55:49 PM »
It might be pin is near leverage, cg is on the pap with a hole thru the cg.

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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2014, 05:30:50 PM »
Good point Doom. Sometimes we lay out balls without understanding how condition specific they can be. This has all the makings but I could be horribly wrong. However if I am right, surface is only going to do but so much.
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Re: Darkness burning up, HELP!
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2014, 09:14:48 PM »
Axis leverage? I'm assuming either it's a really short pin to pap or the pin and cg are in line along the midline. Either one of those will limit how much energy the ball can hold on to. This is why you are see the ball start so early and then have no offering for the back part of the lane.

The layout, if I am correct, is designing a ball shape that plays very little bump so you cannot swing the ball out. Straighter angles will be what this ball and layout will excel at. As mentioned would like to see what the layout is and how it relates to your stats. Also if a weight hole is involved.

Thanks for the reply, as for the layout, i will take a pic next time i get to the center, but is something like this:

pin is to the right and a bit down from the ring finger, CG is about 4~5 inches right on the midline from the center of the grip, 2 more inches is a big weight hole so the ball stays legal.

I was thinking on putting a bit polish, so the ball doesnt lose so much energy on the heads, but i today they put a short pattern with good volume and on practice, when everything except my natural pearl had a consistent roll, everything else was jumpy, so i pulled this baby out and it really shined! i could even swing a bit, and it was GOOOD! other than a sucker pocket 7-10 split, was the most consistent ball i ve seen.

for the 3 games, i played 7 to 10 to start with and i finished at 12 to 10 on the last game.  Shot 660 to be the best score on the pair.

Thanks for all the help, i guess i will just leave it OOB to use it specifically for short since the control on this ball is just AMAZING and with good hitting power.