I have 4 original Nighthawks currently drilled, one in brand condition just waiting to be drilled and 2 NIB, and all I can say is this is the most versitile ball I have EVER thrown. With or without surface. Even in original 1000 wet sand box finish this ball still clears the fronts with ease and is very very angular down lane, even on today's heavier oils. Great ball cant wait to buy a case of the new ones!!!