Mine is pin over ring (approx 1 o'clock), cg is on the center grip line but kicked over. Its a 4x4, but its doesnt look like a typical stacked because my pap is over an 1" up. When they say a med-heavy ball, they mean it. Ive used it on the TOC, scorpion, and shark with good success. Too much ball for the viper, uncontrollable backend for me.