To be honest I did not like this ball all that much. I might have put a bad layout on it, but for me the ball did not move much on any condition. Seven pin city when I hit the pocket. The ball came with 4 oz. of top, and I put a 4x4 pattern on it, with a small weight hole down by the thumb.
When I gave the ball to my pops, he seemed to find success early on. For him, the ball hooks about 15-20 boards (about 15 mph ball speed), and it hits pretty hard. (He is a righty w/lower rev rate, and I am a lefty with higher RPM/faster MPH). For him, the pin is directly above the ring finger, and the cg kicked out about 2 inches (4x2), and a weight hole. Pops keeps it shiny all the time. Rolls nice and gets pretty far down the lane, and then makes a strong arc once it gets to the dry.
