I threw 2 shots with it last thirsday in practice in oob condition it was way to strong. i took it home and took it up to 4000 and threw a high polish on it. i pulled it out last night and it was amazing still is stronger than my roto sinister at 2000. i started with the front 19, shot 300 first game, followed with 258 and 243 last game for 801. got a little jello legged at end and threw some bad shots. This ball is every bit as amazing as the video i saw of it on you tube which is what peaked my interest. so wanna get the legit next which has my favorite core in it (villain). Azo is the real deal!