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rhinotec

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Changing polish brands
« on: June 22, 2007, 02:49:34 AM »
I have used Degree polishes for many years now I find myself in need of changing brands. After lots of research my list of choices are Storm Reacta & Xtra Shine and Ebonite Pwrhse Factory Finish. Has anyone had any experiences w/ these good, bad, or indifferent?
Thanks in advance for the opinions.
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strikestriketapped

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 01:13:34 PM »
Beans Secret Sauce is better.
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shelley

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 01:29:53 PM »
Like asking which bowling ball company is better, in the end it's about matching up your game with the surface prep you've chosen to use.  You'll get as many people saying that Reacta-Shine is better than Powerhouse Factory Finish is better than Legends is better than Magic Shine is better than Rough Buff...

Factory Finish, like Legends and Brunswick's polishes, is gritless, so how much you like it depends strongly on the underlying grit, how much pressure you use, how long you apply it,...  Likewise for the abrasive polishes like Storm's Step # and Rough Buff.

I find it very difficult to believe that anyone's game would be so sensitive to using one brand of polish over another that there'd be a difference in scoring.  It is more likely that you find you don't like 1500-grit polished because it gives too much length and that 800-grit polished works better.  Or on this particular condition, you need 4000-grit plus polish to get through broken down heads.

Surface prep is important, but the brand of polish, once you get past abrasive polishes, shouldn't make a difference.  What you do with it and how you apply it is far more important.

That said, I bought a bottle of Legends polish and I'm looking forward to trying it out next week.

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qstick777

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 02:45:22 PM »
Actually, Ebonite's Factory Finish is abrasive:


http://www.ebonite.com/products/prodetail.php?PRKey=12

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•     Quick, one-step process
 
    •     Takes 800-grit sand to original factory polish reaction
 
    •     Contains no silicones or waxes
 
    •     Mildly abrasive ball polish


rhinotec -  contact Jeff Ussery here on ballreviews.  He is with Powerhouse products and can let you know which products are suitable replacements.

I was under the impression that most of the Columbia polish products were similar to the Track products - Ebonite/Powerhouse kept a lot of the Track products - so you may be able to get the same stuff in a different bottle.

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 02:57:14 PM »
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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 03:31:01 PM »
Beans secret sause is excellent give it a try
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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2007, 03:31:54 PM »
Storm Reacta Shine is very good no problems at all and I do mine by hand without spinner
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qstick777

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2007, 04:55:22 PM »
To answer your original question -

Of the 3 products you mentioned, I've only used Ebonite Factory Finish on a couple of balls.  

I first used it on a Savage Flip that I wanted to return to factory finish.  I originally took it down to 800 grit to ease a problem with over/under.  Gave it a complete resurface (starting at 320), ending at 800 grit before applying the polish.  The ball never did return back to the major flip reaction it had out of box.  Ball still rolled very well, but never really jumped off the dry like before.  That could be attributed to the fact that my release changed.

Used it one a Velocity that I had dulled down.  Didn't notice any loss of reaction after using Factory Finish (compared to the reaction out of box).

Also used it on my wife's Trooper - she throws a straight ball and just wanted it shined up.

I'd have to agree with Shelley, that as long as you match up the final grit, there probably isn't much difference between any of the products.

Sounds like you've done the research:
Storm Reacta Shine - 1500 grit
Storm Xtra Shine - 3500 grit
Ebo Factory Finish - 1000-1200 grit (estimate)

Other things to look at - you can still pick up the Track products from several places on-line:
Track Clean N Smooth - 1500 grit
Track Clean N Sheen - take 320 up to 1000 grit
Track Magic Shine - restore factory compound polish

Bowlingindex.com had some nice prices on the Storm 1,2,3 kit and a 4 and 5 bottle package of Track products - http://www.bowlingindex.com/polish_cleaners

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2007, 06:15:51 PM »
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Actually, Ebonite's Factory Finish is abrasive:


http://www.ebonite.com/products/prodetail.php?PRKey=12

quote:

•     Quick, one-step process
 
    •     Takes 800-grit sand to original factory polish reaction
 
    •     Contains no silicones or waxes
 
    •     Mildly abrasive ball polish

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Actually this is quite surprising. When I contacted Ebonite about a year and a half ago, they VERY SPECIFICALLY said that Ebonite's Powerhouse Factory Finish polish contained NO abrasives.

This corroborated my findings based on when I sanded a couple of Ebonite resin balls to 600 grit and then applied their Factory Finish polish. I could get NO, virtually zero degree of gloss or any sign of polish on those balls. They absolutely needed to be sanded to a minimum of 800 grit, before applying their polish. I need to add that I applied some EXTREME hand pressure to these balls, when sanded to 600 grit and still no shine at all.

If they have "mild" abrasives, it must be so mild as to be virtually non-existant. Once I sanded to the balls to 800 grit or higher (1000, 1200 or 1500 grit) I got plenty of shine. Below 800 grit, NOTHING.

Unless they have made a change from when I did these test about 4 years ago, I would bet anything you want that their Factory Finish polish has no abrasive in it.

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charlest

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2007, 06:19:18 PM »
strikestriketapped wrote:

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Beans Secret Sauce is better.
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While it may put an immediate shine to anything and everything, that MOSR DEFINITELY does not make it better. A good polish ALLOWS you to put small changes in the degree or level of gloss or shine on a ball, by applying lesser or greater amounts of polish, pressure or time on the spinner.

From all reports here on ballreviews, his polish puts a strong immediate gloss on every ball on which it is used. That may be great for people who do not have a spinner. But for the rest of us who wish to be able to put small changes of shine on a ball, that seems to be a negative factor.
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charlest

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Re: Changing polish brands
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 06:23:18 PM »
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 Sounds like you've done the research:
Storm Reacta Shine - 1500 grit
Storm Xtra Shine - 3500 grit
Ebo Factory Finish - 1000-1200 grit (estimate)
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Might I add a caution here:

These numbers are absolute maximums. They are not what will be achieved by one application of any amount of polish or degree of pressure. They are potentials.

Also, I'd bump ebonite's Factory Finish up to 4000 grit at least, dependent upon what grit you sand the ball to before applying the polish. The same goes for all the others. If you sand it to a higher grit BEFORE APPLYING THE POLISH, the resultant finish will be smoother yet.

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