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newtobowling

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is there such a thing as too much information
« on: April 15, 2015, 02:46:24 PM »
I was avg 160 and with a season of bowling, done this winter, i pushed it to 175. I have been trying to become a more consistent bowler by reviewing my basic game ( start, push away, my walk, timing, follow through).  It seems now that I have watched so many bowling videos and read so many online post that I feel like I am always trying to adjust my game to get better. The result though is that I am actually not getting better and actually becoming more inconsistent. My avg is dropping close to the 160s again, and getting frustrated.

Do you think I am trying to change too many things at once? Do you think too much information is bad because it may not match my style and game?

One of my biggest challenge is over gripping the ball and over turning the ball to early. I have been working on trying to relax my arm more to free up my swing. I think if I can relax my arm,  I will be able to stay behind the ball more. Looking for some help and advice.

 

Ken De Beasto

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2015, 02:59:38 PM »
video be nice.
I use to feel just like you my friend i would watch hella videos trying learn how to bowl so i tried so many things that it confused the crap out of me. what i did was master or improve in one section before i move on to the next. thats what really helped me become a better bowler consistently

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2015, 04:29:38 PM »
Find a reliable coach in your area?

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2015, 07:18:52 PM »
I was avg 160 and with a season of bowling, done this winter, i pushed it to 175. I have been trying to become a more consistent bowler by reviewing my basic game ( start, push away, my walk, timing, follow through).  It seems now that I have watched so many bowling videos and read so many online post that I feel like I am always trying to adjust my game to get better. The result though is that I am actually not getting better and actually becoming more inconsistent. My avg is dropping close to the 160s again, and getting frustrated.

Do you think I am trying to change too many things at once? Do you think too much information is bad because it may not match my style and game?

One of my biggest challenge is over gripping the ball and over turning the ball to early. I have been working on trying to relax my arm more to free up my swing. I think if I can relax my arm,  I will be able to stay behind the ball more. Looking for some help and advice.

Of course you're trying to change too many things at one time, without getting better at any one factor in your delivery. You need to establish the basics of YOUR delivery, given that YOUR basics are sound ones. For that you need to either know what you're doing or get a good basics coach and accept what he or she tells you are good basics. YOU have to decide on the best course of action.

It's similar to the idea of pitches f\or your thumb and fingers. You can only change one thing/factor at a time and that change has to be a small one. Once you make 2 or more changes without insuring the first change was good and sound AND permanent (more or less), you're just letting yourself in for trouble.
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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2015, 08:27:55 PM »
i would have to say too much info can be a bad thing at times the best advice i have is to find what your good at and get better at it consistency is the biggest key in this sport and in most all sports and there are so many different styles of bowling thats its hard to say what is necessary to be done on your part but what i see that seperates most 160-200 avg bowlers is spare shooting being able to consistently fill frames. and dont overthink things when its your turn to bowl

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2015, 08:46:40 PM »
The issue is assuming any if not all of the info you've read is valid to you or your growth...
You need to find a qualified individual to help you build your game to your abilities
You have to know what to work on, how to work on it and understand the process in accomplishing it
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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2015, 09:08:30 AM »
I agree 110% with on hands coaching at this point.

With the summer break around the corner, it is a good time to work on everything. I would start by calling up pro shops and asking about coaching specials during the summer. Sometimes you can find seminars in some cities as well.

Do your homework and be prepared to ask for references to speak to.

newtobowling

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2015, 11:10:58 AM »
Thanks for all the great tip. I will be looking for some coaching and seminars this upcoming summer. I also will bowl in a have a ball league to get some new equipment for the fall. I agree that over thinking the game and changing too many parts of my game is counter productive. It's hard as a beginner to see what other people can do on their videos and not want to get the same results (high score and strikes).
I am also considering getting a wrist guard to help so that my wrist does not break. Any thoughts on this?

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2015, 11:16:40 AM »
You post questions on a open forum and will get everyone's opinions whether qualified or otherwise...
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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2015, 11:49:28 AM »
i agree with rico you will get a ton of opinions on here and if you have access to coaching in your area then by all means get some coaching just remember that it all takes time to develop a good bowler nobody becomes good overnite. and regarding the use of a wrist guard i use one,all the time the one is use is the robby revs and i like it alot it does help alot from keeping my wrist from breaking and helps being more consistent with my delivery however thats something you will have to experiment with and possibly if you do get a coach something you could talk to him/her about

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2015, 12:25:54 PM »
Information you get here on BR is like water, your brain a cup. some times there's too much water given that it spills over the cup.

Learning to bowl through reading books, magazine, BR, ect.....can lead to a fool for a master...

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2015, 12:40:35 PM »
I've been working Bob Learn Jr on both my mechanics and mental game.  He has taught me that you can have the best mechanics in the world and still bowl bad.  He says you need to have a singular thought or theme when you get up to bowl.  For me its "smooth" because I have a tendency to muscle the ball.  I need to let my swing dominate the shot and not my hand.  But that is me.  So you need to not just focus on mechanics, but making sure your mental game is good too.
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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2015, 02:01:26 PM »
You can lead a horse to water you can't make it thirsty
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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2015, 04:28:39 PM »
One of the rewards to developing a smooth swing, posting the shot, reading the lanes,  all those "recommended" bowling improvements, etc.  is you will get your head handed to you by a young strong guy  throwing with no thumb, spraying the ball all over the place, and throwing darts at spares.

The old methods of teaching went out the window when the game "morphed" into a throwing contest.

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Re: is there such a thing as too much information
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2015, 04:49:33 PM »
This could easily be titled
Is there such a thing as too much misinformation?
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