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Surface. Surface. Surface.
« on: January 28, 2016, 01:54:40 PM »
Before the era of Urethane and Resin. Everyone had a plastic ball. All the great names of near past, like Anthony, Roth, Holeman, Wagner and such, all had plastic balls and hooked them to some extent on lanes. Of course they didn't hook like CRUX or Nirvana or Ruckus, but they hooked none the less. I know the oil was little less and the conditioners had different characteristic, but that's what was required back then.

After this introduction, here is the nitty gritty after I read a little bit about Ball Motion Study and follow up comments, reviews and forum topics.

Suppose I take 3 balls, all same, Symmetrical, medium hook potential, say 6 on the scale of 1 to 10, drill it Rico and use 500 grit on one, 1000 grit on 2nd, and 1500 grit pad on third. Considering all the balls are same, how this strategy sounds instead of going after different balls and frying brain on how to lay them out.

I play on medium to dry 40 feet mostly.


 

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 02:28:21 PM »
If you play on medium to dry 40 ft, you might want to reconsider what grits to use.

1000, 2000, 4000 would make a lot more sense or even 2000, 4000 and polished.
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Re: Surface. Surface. Surface.
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 02:59:53 PM »
If you play on medium to dry 40 ft, you might want to reconsider what grits to use.

1000, 2000, 4000 would make a lot more sense or even 2000, 4000 and polished.


Alright. I don't know much about this being a newbie and all. Your suggestions seem workable. I'll wait for some more though.

Just glad that the idea didn't strike you as totally bogus. :)

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 03:04:51 PM »
If you play on medium to dry 40 ft, you might want to reconsider what grits to use.

1000, 2000, 4000 would make a lot more sense or even 2000, 4000 and polished.


Alright. I don't know much about this being a newbie and all. Your suggestions seem workable. I'll wait for some more though.

Just glad that the idea didn't strike you as totally bogus. :)

I think you have the right idea. I use a Motiv Sigma Sting a lot. I have three drilled almost identical, just with different surfaces.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 03:42:36 PM »
Your idea will work.  Other bowlers will do something similar with pin position.  Same ball, one drilled pin up, one drilled pin down.

It all depends on the types of patterns you are bowling on.  When you go up against higher competition on tougher conditions, with all 3 drilled rico, you will have the same ball motion, just occurring at different points on the lane via surface. 

But for example. if you are right handed and forced to play very deep, having nothing but rico drilled equipment may be a disadvantage.

But since you said you are a newer bowler, your idea is an excellent way to learn surface and hand position changes and how they affect your particular style.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 04:09:44 PM »
Your idea will work.  Other bowlers will do something similar with pin position.  Same ball, one drilled pin up, one drilled pin down.

It all depends on the types of patterns you are bowling on.  When you go up against higher competition on tougher conditions, with all 3 drilled rico, you will have the same ball motion, just occurring at different points on the lane via surface. 

But for example. if you are right handed and forced to play very deep, having nothing but rico drilled equipment may be a disadvantage.

But since you said you are a newer bowler, your idea is an excellent way to learn surface and hand position changes and how they affect your particular style.


Thanks

Yeah. I bowl on 40 feet, Drier mostly, have no intentions of Bowling in competition untill I improve my game and learn to use different hand positions.

I'm planning on going Polish on dry, 2000 on medium dry, and 1000 on a little oil. Ratio is 2:1 mostly.

What do you suggest.

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Re: Surface. Surface. Surface.
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 04:13:28 PM »
If you play on medium to dry 40 ft, you might want to reconsider what grits to use.

1000, 2000, 4000 would make a lot more sense or even 2000, 4000 and polished.


Alright. I don't know much about this being a newbie and all. Your suggestions seem workable. I'll wait for some more though.

Just glad that the idea didn't strike you as totally bogus. :)

I think you have the right idea. I use a Motiv Sigma Sting a lot. I have three drilled almost identical, just with different surfaces.


Thanks. That's encouraging to know that some do think it's not a lousy idea.

Awesome that you have 3 balls drilled same with different surfaces.

RICO I chose because it's a lot controllable. I'm new. So I don't know much.

Do you suggest some other lay out.

My specs are mainly medium everything except higher track. Low Tilt.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 04:33:22 PM »
If you play on medium to dry 40 ft, you might want to reconsider what grits to use.

1000, 2000, 4000 would make a lot more sense or even 2000, 4000 and polished.


Alright. I don't know much about this being a newbie and all. Your suggestions seem workable. I'll wait for some more though.

Just glad that the idea didn't strike you as totally bogus. :)

I think you have the right idea. I use a Motiv Sigma Sting a lot. I have three drilled almost identical, just with different surfaces.


Thanks. That's encouraging to know that some do think it's not a lousy idea.

Awesome that you have 3 balls drilled same with different surfaces.

RICO I chose because it's a lot controllable. I'm new. So I don't know much.

Do you suggest some other lay out.

My specs are mainly medium everything except higher track. Low Tilt.

I can't really help you on the layout. I know what works for me, but that's about the limit of my knowledge on the subject of how a ball should be drilled. Every bowler is unique. Your local pro shop should be able to make suggestions.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2016, 11:12:53 AM »
Just keep in mind that the lanes and ball returns change the ball surface fairly quickly.  You'll need to refresh the surfaces after each use to keep the spread in surface where you want it.  --  JohnP
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Re: Surface. Surface. Surface.
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2016, 04:36:51 PM »
Just keep in mind that the lanes and ball returns change the ball surface fairly quickly.  You'll need to refresh the surfaces after each use to keep the spread in surface where you want it.  --  JohnP


Thanks John. I'll remember it.

But that also brings me to a point where I wonder about how many times a Grit Pad can be effectively used to change the surface? Would I be better off using a Siare Pad in terms of longevity or cost.

Can someone guide? John?

If that turns out to be quite expensive an ordeal, I would rather switch to 3 different balls with 3 different lay outs to suite my need.

John. You burst the bubble. Now guide me to where I need to be. Please

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Re: Surface. Surface. Surface.
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2016, 05:19:23 PM »
As a follow up to JohnP's post.  Some people have done testing.  No matter what surface you put on a ball, after approx 20-30 games, you will have a surface on the ball in the 2800-3200 grit range.

If you want to have a different surface on your equipment, you should get the surfaced adjusted after 20 games back to what you intend.

If you clean and maintain your abralon pads, most people can use them for 8-10 surface changes and they will continue to change the surface to the grit indicated.

And again through testing.  Always wet sand with light pressure to get the pads to work correctly.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2016, 05:24:20 PM »
Thanks. That's great.

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2016, 05:53:24 PM »
All you really need is a quick touch up sanding, get some wet /dry paper of the grits you want, fold them into quarters and do it by hand.  Rotate the ball in your hands so the entire surface is hit, use a fresh quarter each time.  You'll get four sandings out of each sheet that way.  About every 40 games put it back on the spinner and do a more thorough job.  --  JohnP