i think the ice and the power groove is more of a beginners ball...like the type of ball that is your first hooking ball, but i have a hyde and that this hooks a ton....i would suggest that if you are an experienced bowler but if you are a beginner than the hyde is not for you. The hyde will give you the hitting power and the hook is there, but if you dont have experience your cant controll it....but overall the hyde is a great ball