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gorollem

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What is PAP and why do I need to know it?
« on: January 21, 2009, 02:21:17 AM »
I have been reading on how to determine the PAP either with tools or simply drawing the oil line on the ball, placing the ball on a table perfectly horizontal to that line and the PAP would be directly on top.

What does that mean to me?  What am I to learn or do with that information?

 

JohnP

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Re: What is PAP and why do I need to know it?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 10:26:35 AM »
You don't do anything with it, but your driller will use the PAP location to set up the layout on your ball.  I would not accept a PAP location the customer gave me, I would measure and confirm it myself.  --  JohnP

gorollem

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Re: What is PAP and why do I need to know it?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 10:30:00 AM »
Thank you and next dumb question then....what do you mean by "the layout of the ball."  Once drilled and the PAP found, what does the driller use that for??

Dan Belcher

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Re: What is PAP and why do I need to know it?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 10:32:50 AM »
John's right.  Don't worry about doing it yourself -- just go to a reputable pro shop and have them measure your PAP for you.

To give you an idea of what's going on, without going into huge details..

PAP is short for Positive Axis Point.  This is the spot on the ball that is used as a reference when drilling the ball.  Everybody's PAP location is different, since it's determined by how you throw the ball.  The PAP is on the exact opposite side of the ball from the center of your ball's track as it rolls down the lane.  As the ball comes off your hand, it's rotating along an imaginary line that goes through the center of your track and the PAP.

All this tells you and your ball driller is how to place the pin, CG, and mass bias when drilling the ball to get the reaction you want.  As an example:  If your PAP is 4" straight across from the center of your grip, but your teammate's PAP is 5.5" straight across from the center of his grip, this means that if the two of you could throw the same bowling ball with the pin at grip center, you'd get different results.  The pin placement will be a full 1.5" closer to your axis point, which means the ball will flare more than your teammate whose axis point is further away from the pin.  Your ball driller should understand what this means when choosing how to drill a ball for you (early hook, late hook, angular, rolly, etc.)

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Re: What is PAP and why do I need to know it?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 01:53:33 PM »
gorollem, maybe this site will help you with some of your questions.  You can also check the link in my sig below for the BR FAQ which also has some info.



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Re: What is PAP and why do I need to know it?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 02:32:02 AM »
quote:
Thank you and next dumb question then....what do you mean by "the layout of the ball." Once drilled and the PAP found, what does the driller use that for??


The PAP is determined before the ball is layed out, using one of your existing balls.  The PAP location is a characteristic of the bowler's release, not the ball.  Layout means how the driller determines where the holes go in relation to the pin, cg, and mb (for an asymmetrical ball) to achieve the reaction you want.  --  JohnP