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DrBwlr15

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Need some constructive feedback
« on: May 29, 2013, 08:04:54 PM »
I've decided to post a video of me bowling to get some online advice.. Having issues with accuracy and I'm getting really frustrated.. Almost to the point of quitting bowling forever.. I wouldn't actually quit, I'm too stubborn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9u08gkgq4I

 

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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2013, 11:51:53 PM »
I'll start by saying that you are doing most everything pretty well - good set-up, straight arm, ball position, shoulder angle.  It is a little tough to help identify a source of inconsistency with only 1 sample.

A few things could be the issue:
Dropping the ball into your swing - It seems very controlled and intentional rather than natural.  Result could be variations in timing leading to missed shots.
Swing plane - Swing plane loops a bit, and might not reproduce well.
Knee bend/upper body tilt - Less tilt, more knee bend if possible.  It looked like you were falling off the shot a little bit.

Taking a step back from the technical issues, I could be way off-base, but it looked like you might be thinking about too many things during your approach - adjust shoulder angle, move weight to back foot, move ball into swing on 2nd step, stay behind the ball, project through the break, etc.  It could just be the effect of taping yourself.  It could also be what happens when a couple of early splits turns into a 135 game - too much internal dialogue.


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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2013, 12:13:48 AM »
I agree on a lot of things being more right then wrong. There are very few things I would change and im not sure it would effect/help accuracy. Id suggest getting a video camera and videoing your entire practice session for inconsistancy you may be able to see but not feel. I see it in my videos all the time.
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DrBwlr15

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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 01:41:15 AM »
Thanks for the responses..

Backwards: You were completely spot on.. I think way too much on the approach especially that particular day.. Based on the video below, my buddy/coach was saying that my left arm was way too high, my arm swing was too far away from my body and my trail leg is being kicked too much around my body which are all causing my accuracy and balance problems..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQj2Pt2MYz4

So on the original video.. I was thinking, left arm low, arm swing closer to my body and don't kick my trail leg too much lol...


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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2013, 08:34:02 AM »
if you look at your setup your head, shoulder and ball are in three seperate places. you want them in line to improve accuracy. also you want to walk on a single line like a sobriety test with one foot in front of the other. this gets the hips out of the way of the ball path as it falls in step 2. by doing this it also opens the shoulders to you can swing the ball out on the lane without changing the swing path during the approach

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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 08:56:12 AM »
I agree with cheech on the setup.  It looks like your ball is too far to the right causing you to swing the ball outside-in causing balance problems as well as losing power.
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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2013, 11:57:36 AM »
First, I agree with Kidlost that there are more positive aspects than negative about your approach. You are very smooth through the release; you are not rushing the line. Next, I also agree with Cheech and DMonroe that you are holding the ball in your stance too far to the right.

I would add that you are carrying the ball at least a couple of steps in your approach. You probably should be getting the ball in motion with your first step. As you take your first step, you should begin your arm swing by extending your right arm directly in front of you. I would use the term "pushaway," but I understand that "pushaway" is a dangerous term to use on this forum!!!!

Good Luck and stick with bowling. You will do well because you have a good foundation on which to build.
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DrBwlr15

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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2013, 06:48:30 PM »
I wanted to thank you all for responding to my video and giving me feedback on my game.. I'm taking what you all said and trying to apply it to my game.. So far so good.. I can see and feel the differences.. I'll try and post another video soon with my improvements.. Thanks again...

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Re: Need some constructive feedback
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2013, 10:09:06 AM »
I thought the same thing as everybody else, there's a lot more that's right than wrong.  I have a lot going on in my mind too, and the way to combat that is to reduce the amount of things you have to conciously think about, and the way to do that is to practice one thing at a time until your muscle memory picks it up.  So when you're practicing, don't try thinking about more than one thing at a time.  It doesn't matter what else you do wrong, how the ball reacts, just worry about one thing at a time.  Then go on to the next thing.  You'll find that once your body really learns something it will almost do it automatically, meaning your list of things to focus on during the shot boils down to 2 or 3 things instead of 6 or 7. 

And honestly, don't let it turn into a crutch, but a drink or two used to help me out a ton.  It relaxes you, and a lot of people either use it without knowing that's what it's doing for them, or people will take pain pills before they start bowling because that's essentially what it's doing.  You can actually mentally think yourself into mistakes.  It's amazing that when I have a small buzz, my mechanical problems disappear, and it all becomes accuracy.  If I had to guess, I'd say you're a pretty precise perfectionist with a lot of things, and getting close doesn't cut it for you, you want everything perfect.  That also means you have a clear vision of what you want your end result to be.  That can mess with your head too.  You can also mentally put yourself in a shoebox when you have a lot more room than that.  I tend to focus too much on exactly how I want the ball to enter the pocket and where I want it to hit, rather than relaxing and just trying to hit the pocket, which is pretty wide if you think about it.  If you've got 3-5 boards of area on a house shot, and 3-4 boards where you can hit the pocket to strike (high flush to mixer), that's a lot of room.  Now, leaving a flat 10 or ring 10 is occasionally going to happen no matter what, it's keeping your expectations realistic.  Yeah, if I leave a flat 10, I can see exactly what went wrong for that to happen, so instead of trying to force 4 or 5 adjustments to make it more perfect, try to figure out how to reduce it to 1 or 2.  Hope that helps rather than confuses . . I get on rants sometimes and get a lot of blank stares. 
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