I'm trying to smooth out my approach and be more solid at the line. There are things I know needs improvement, at the same time, there are things I can't seem to change. Partly due to my anatomy limitations, changes over the years, and my brain and body tricking each other. My bad habits seems to be leaning forward and chicken wings. Some times my footwork, but I do drift 1 board in.

I'll be seeing Mark Baker again this May after two years, but maybe you folks see something I don't and I could improve on. thanks.

-Swing goes behind back
-Appears to be some pull from the top

you're on top of the ball on your release, versus being behind the ball.

you're on top of the ball on your release, versus being behind the ball.

If you look very very closely at the release on the shot around the 0:27-0:28 mark you are 1) a tick ahead of your swing (timing wise) and 2) around the ball and on the outside/on top of it.  I'm sure this can be traced back to the push away and the swing going behind your back.  I would defer here to a good coach but it would be my opinion that whatever extra that deviation adds may be shored up from an efficiency standpoint if it were eliminated, thereby helping that late timing.  I'm saying you'll gain efficiency of motion. 

Our goal here is to gain a more quality roll and not be late and on top/around the ball.

I think you have some decent mechanics to work from and with some focus on certain areas you could sync it up. 

Again, those are only my solicited opinions. 

Thanks Gx2.... decades ago I had a release with my hand behind the ball, end over end roll with more tilt than I have now. I bowled on more oil and friction had a smaller area. The last decade I bowled at the same house with lots of friction. With the old synthetics to the newer SPL's. That roll close to end over end wasn't good, so I changed over the years.. Only when I throw my spare ball do I do stay behind the ball. But for the life of me, I can't do it consistently with my first ball. Also, with the glove brace on, I'm more higher on the ball vs. without the brace.

I went out today and took more videos and just worked on my push away. It feels odd with this new set up, but it seems to work. I place the ball more to my center line and push towards the inside. The ball doesn't bump out to the right. And on the release point, my ball is closer to the ankle and ball under the chin. BUT, my hand/release positions is the same up and out. Also I noticed on the video, when I start my down swing, my hand is turning to the outside very early. I guess I need to let the ball "fall" into place and not force it.

Mark baker (seeing him again this summer) doesn't talk much about the release. If everything (his 10 important parts of the approach) is done correctly, the release will fix itself. In fact, Mike Jasnau mentioned my hand position was at a good spot (2007), fingers below the equator, etc....Nothing wrong with it, he said. I just don't know what happened to my release now lol. I thought golf was hard......

Quote from: storybook123 on March 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM

you're on top of the ball on your release, versus being behind the ball.

If you look very very closely at the release on the shot around the 0:27-0:28 mark you are 1) a tick ahead of your swing (timing wise) and 2) around the ball and on the outside/on top of it.  I'm sure this can be traced back to the push away and the swing going behind your back.  I would defer here to a good coach but it would be my opinion that whatever extra that deviation adds may be shored up from an efficiency standpoint if it were eliminated, thereby helping that late timing.  I'm saying you'll gain efficiency of motion. 

Our goal here is to gain a more quality roll and not be late and on top/around the ball.

I think you have some decent mechanics to work from and with some focus on certain areas you could sync it up. 

Again, those are only my solicited opinions. 

^^ this ^^

His backswing goes behind his back and then reverse loops and his hand turns early as a result.  He will never get his hand underneath/behind the ball with this move. For the hand to get under the ball the swing need to be straighter back and then tuck.  What he's doing now is just like coming over the top in a golf swing.  Bowling's version of the weak slice.

He's out with his push, in with his backswing, out with the downswing.
Needs to be straight or in with push, out or straight with backswing and in or straight with downswing.  With that being said, not many people can go straight back and straight through.  So if you are going to have a loop in needs to tuck in, not bump out.

You have to get your swing straightened out before you can work on the release.  And your push away will fix most of your swing problem.  Putting the cart before the horse.