This ball is great,you get the bang for your buck, had mine drilled pin 3 1/2" from PAP, and cg kicked out, OOB (800 grit) this ball was perfect for heavy oil, and i brought it down to 600 grit then polished it, and now it is so versatile i could play this ball on any oil pattern, this ball carries so well, i just shot a 280 with it in my juniors league on Wednesday, 1-28-09, i could miss my mark 1-2 boards left and right, and as long as it hits pocket it would strike