Author Topic: Eliminator (Read 20088 times)

admin · « **on:** December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »

Specifications are as follows:

Coverstock: Low-Load Proactive /Particle

Color: Royal Blue

Hardness: 77-79

Factory Finish: Cerium Oxide Trizact

Core Dynamics:

RG Max: 2.546

RG Min: 2.493

RG Diff: 0.043

RG Avg: 3.5

Performance:

Hook Potential: 125

Length: 80

BreakPoint Shape: 60

Available Weights: 12-16 Pounds

View the official Spec sheet including Drill Instructions

Chris Postel · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2003, 11:30:56 AM »

Have this ball drilled 6x3 (pin in middle finger) with a weight hole.

This ball is treat because it doesn't over jump at all. The CG leverage layout is sweet for my type of game now that I've changed my hand span and pitches. Doesn't turn the corner hard, but just rolls hard from the midlane and keeps pins low.

This ball is awesome for synthetics from my experience.

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CRSmith · « **Reply #17 on:** June 28, 2003, 01:48:00 AM »

I got my Eliminator in a tournament at my local house near the end of this past season. The pin is 3-4 out and drilled leverage. I thought with this being a new particle ball, it was going to hook off the lanes. Nope. It was barely stronger than my resin balls. My house puts down a fair amount of oil, and with my speed and less than fresh backends, I found I was having a hard time getting the ball to turn. I HATE dull balls, but reluctantly took the shine off the ball and gave it a 600 matte finish. Big difference. Even dulled, the Eliminator gets good length. It isn't as sensitive to over/under and its carry is exceptional. I've had a couple of high load particle balls, and I just don't like their reaction. For me, the Eliminator has more of a resin look to it. I finally found a particle ball that I like.

UNObowler01 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2003, 03:00:31 PM »

16.04lb., pin out 3", 2.75 top.

Pin low, 4" x 4 1/2"

Used on 42ft. house cond. wood, 35ft. PBA Pattern E wood, slicker tournament condtion (no idea of actual pattern, had to be 40 ft. or better, sythetics).

One of Brunswick's best, I'd have to say. The low-load particle shell helps increase traction in the mid-lane, but still saves energy enough to pop on the backend. Scuffed the surface with a grey scotch-brite to increase traction in oil, and it works great. One of few early-rolling balls the still HITs. Very smooth around the corner with an awesome power roll on the backend. My favorite ball when it gets slicker.

This ball will cut through and handle all but the very slickest heavier conditions. Definitely one you want to have in the bag when you need a particle ball. Not many particle balls hit like this ball does.
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Mike Whitacre · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2003, 12:37:43 PM »

This was drilled with pin beside ring finger CG Kicked out 2â€. I have keep this in box finish. I really like this ball a lot. Usually not the first ball out of the bag, but it is great with carry down or when my inferno is leaving 10 pins. If you got enough head oil this ball is a great ball. I love this ball. It hits hard, good carry. I donâ€™t go anywhere without it. It will read the lane early if the heads go. The back end is very angular with great driving finish.

SAR1stuNNa1 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2003, 09:53:14 PM »

This is one of Brunswick's best balls. It does exactly what it is intended to do
"eliminate" the over/under. This ball always rolls the same. I had mine for about
a year now and it still destroys the pins. I have the pin above the ring finger
and the cg just about in the center of my palm. This balls is great, great job
Brunswick.

-Shawn Ryan-

xricLV · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2004, 02:06:14 PM »

Great ball

Sniper206 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2004, 08:30:57 PM »

Have had one of these for quite a while. Punched this one up Pin over ring, cg out 2 inches with an x-hole. For a light load, this thing hooks and does it in an even manner. I haven't found anything besides short oil that this doesn't work on. It's great on longer patterns, even better on the mediums. Got rid of the polished one, now I have the dull one and the reaction is about the same, just about a 4 ft. earlier start with the dull finish. Personally, I think this is still the 2nd best fuze behind te Igniter. All in all, a very versatile ball.

Hook- 8.5

Control- 9

versatility- 9

Eliminator gets a 9

thanks for reading

Qballtch · « **Reply #23 on:** April 17, 2004, 05:56:29 PM »

I just bought a brand new Brunswick Fuze Eliminator. Kept original cover, no shinning nor dulling. WOW! i think i am in love with this ball. About me, I am 23 and haven't bowled in a while and within the last few months i picked up bowling again. Found out that my Bruwick Axis is just a cheap plastic ball and i needed something much better. Got the Eliminator for a deal for $170 with drilling and had oval inserts put in too, might change it to flat but not sure yet. I am using the finger tip style grip. I just bowled a 172, 176 and 154 for a 502 series. Scores could have been better, especially sice i blew a clean game, just need to work on using my Axis as a spare ball now. I am very happy with the snap hook it has and sometimes i was affraid it was going in the gutter but ended snapping back in and giving me great results. I am wondering what are others oppinions about this ball and such. Also any suggestions you have for me. Also just with the axis i was averaging in the high 160's to low 170's, so i expect VERY good things now since i have "hopefully" the right equipment for me. I plan to join a summer league to get me ready for this fall and to get me into a rythem and such.

Invertedsdfg 1 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:57:29 AM »

No one's posted a review on this ball for a while. To me, this is one of the MOST underrated bowling balls out on the market today. You can pick one of these up on line fairly cheap. Buy one and you won't be sorry. This is my first ball out of the bag and usually ends up being the only ball I bowl with all day.
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Lane Conditions: Medium-Heavy Oil
Typical Conditions: Tournament Shot
Type of Lane: All Synthetic
What part of the lane did you play? Second Arrow
Did the ball track out? Normal
Weight of bowling ball: 16
Surface of bowling ball: Scotch Brite
What grit was the surface of the ball? Grey Scotch Brite
Likes: Just about everything
Dislikes: Snoop dog

Went to the local Sunday morning tournament at a local house. Oil pattern was "A" for the shot on synthetic lanes and a fairly healthy dose of oil. I was standing out on 25 using the fifteen board as a target and swinging out to about the ten board. I'm more of a cranker than a stroker without the big backswing, but still use plenty of hand in the shot.

As soon as the ball cleared the oil and read the lanes, it almost made a 180 into the pocket. Light hits, high hits, flush hits, it didn't matter. Grabbed the first eight and stuck a solid 8 in the ninth. Went 279 256 250, but didn't win as it was a handi capped tourney. But did take a healthy side pot of $120 for the first game.

What was great? As the shot broke down when the oil started moving, the ball didn't do any thing "strange". It stayed on line reading the dry and wet part of the lane without going spastic. Minor adjustments with speed or feet was all that was needed. I was the only one throwing this ball amid all the Storm, Track and Lane #1 products out on the lanes. I must have talked to at least 6 or 7 people about the ball who were impressed with the reaction.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2005, 05:50:23 AM »

Oh, it took a while since somebody (like me) took notice of this great and unique ball and wrote a hymn?

The Fuze Eliminator in a nutshell:

Strong and versatile solid light load particle ball

Aggressive coverstock; best suited for medium to oily shots, even at OOB finish, and needs head oil

With sanded surface suitable for the deepest grease imaginable

If you are looking for control on oily shots or carrydown - get one!

Background:

Well, finally... the holy grail in my hands! After long hunting I shot down a 2nd hand Fuze Eliminator on ebay at a reasonable price, 9 months old, excellent condition, for EUR 50,- (about $ 60,-> plus complete plugging and inserts for another EUR 35,-).

Some details on the ball itself: The Eliminator's coverstock is based on the Aggressive Reactive coverstock used on the Raging Red Fuze in pearl form, which is based on the popular PK18 material. It is a solid version and it features a light load of particles to increase traction on oily and spotty lanes, giving it enough skidding ability to save energy for the backend where the low RG core delivers a smooth but strong move to the pocket. Nice concept.

Brunswick discontinued the Eliminator distribution in Germany during fall 2004. The last NIB balls have left pro shops in discount: former NIB price was about EUR 200,-, on sale for EUR 150,-, but NEVER for less. Before that, 2nd hand Fuze Eliminators used to reach insane three digit prices at ebay auctions - almost NIB prices! Totally sick, but this ball has a rep among connoisseurs.
Now, with the advent of the new Impulse Zone in December 2004 and under the shadow of the Ultimate and just released Absolute Inferno, prices dropped suddenly and left budget players like me with this mythical high-performance piece at reasonable prices

Mythical? Yes! This ball is rumored to be one of the best things Brunswick has released so far onto the mortals' lanes, as far as particle balls are concerned. Experienced local players speak in awe about it, with that certain glare in their eyes, and the Fuze Eliminator is still a frequent sight on difficult lanes where predictability on changing lane conditions is a prerequisite for success.

About me:
Style = Stroker/mild Tweener, right-handed
Speed = 13,5-14,5 mph
PAP = 5" & 7/8"^
Axis tilt = 18,7°
Revs = 250-300 RPM at release
For more details, check out my profile, please.

The ball:
My 15 lbs. Fuze Eliminator is slightly pin-out, CG to pin is 1 3/4. It is a perfect fit for Brunswick's early reaction drill patterns intended for oily lanes - and that's what I had in mind upon purchase. Because the ball formerly belonged to a lefty plus low mileage, the track was almost in virgin condition.

The Eliminator was supposed be a complement to my benchmark TPC Player at that time as a step up when REAL traction was needed in oil. It received an aggressive roll drilling (once more, a deep bow of respct towards Michael Kraemer for his support), a mixture of Brunswick's patterns 1E and 2E for high-differential balls:
Pin distance from PAP is 4”, it ended up at 4:00, 1” away from ring finger hole and 1 3/4” from midlane. CG/MB positioned at 45° from PAP, kicked out almost 2 1/2” from the intersection of midlane and midline towards PAP. Large X-hole (1” wide and 3” deep) on PAP was necessary to make the ball legal. Urethane thumb slug and oval rubber finger inserts completed the setup.

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* = Pin
# = CG
x = X-hole

Surface was brought back to original NIB condition (Cerium Oxide Trizact finish) which I really recommend for this ball to add up to its versatility (see addendum below).
With the plugged lefty holes and my new ones scattered across the surface, my Eliminator now looks like a ball made for a 7-finger mutant or some alien bowler from outer space...

But performance is what finally counts!

The Eliminator in action:

The testing program in detail:
First test in a house which is renowned for its spotty lanes, normally offering a short but oily/greasy 30' pattern with lots of carrydown due to social bowlers and irregular lane maintenance.
Initially stood at 26 with my right shoe tip, playing across 3rd arrow. The Eliminator went down the lane, reacted quite late and surprisingly hard, breaking at about 40' and just making it into complete forward roll when it hit the pins. Nice, smooth ball reaction, controlled hook. Good carry, but less spectacular than I thought in the first place, esp. with the .

As the lane dried up I just needed to adjust starting position leftwards to 28th board. The Eliminator stayed controllable all the time. In contrast to this, one of my friends (who has more revs than me, though) started with a Fear Factor which was not playable anymore after 2 games. He ended up with a BVP Punisher, but this ball started to jump on dry backend boards while my Eliminator still showed its smooth curving reaction, just covering 2 or 3 more boards when the lane ran dry after 15 games in total. Amazing!

Next test on the lanes it was drilled for: a 40' sports pattern without walls but with a tough crown and slick Brunswick ProAnvil synth surface. Great! Traction when you need it, but clean through the heads, even after several games. Clean midlane transition and a powerful, rather late backend turn with a breakpoint at 40-42' and then starting an almost violent move towards the pocket. I think it couldn't get any better!

Some conclusions:
From my tests and ongoing experience, I give the Eliminator a solid 9 out of 10, with potential for more. It is truly a great ball - with hidden qualities that shine on tough, flat pattersn and long formats. The only thing it cannot handle is simply the lack of (head) oil, but this is not what it was designed for. It will run off or burn up early with its strong Aggressive Reactive Solid + particle grip, even just at a low-load of particles. Too much oil -which is truly a soup into which you could insert a finger! - is also too much for the glossy box condition, but reducing speed makes the Eliminator work even in the deepest grease pit. Sanding is also an option (see addendum).

Lane utility for tested ball (pattern length vs. oil volume):

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|0 0 0| Light volume
|0 X X| Medium volume
|0 X +| Heavy volume

Legend:
X = Best suited with effective control & carry
+ = Fairly suited (works, somehow, but lacks control)
0 = Unsuited (ineffective, either slips or burns up)

The chart concept is borrowed from Storm's 2003 catalogue - IMHO a very good overview tool. Surface prep and drillings may change the results, it is just personal experience with my style

From Brunswick's description the Eliminator appears to be a special purpose ball for spotty or broken down conditions. But, in fact, it isn't - It is a very good all-around ball for medium to oily conditions, with a unique reaction setup.

Another positive point is its controllable performance, which you can keep up for a very long time before you have to switch the ball. It is great for tournaments, you just have to read the signs to put it away in time and take out something milder.

Is the Eliminator still worth buying? Well, Brunswick developed in the meantime other balls that match up with its performance and role - especially the Impulse Zone, which keeps the coverstock concept with a generally higher/more aggressive performance and the more modern Activator coverstock, as well as an asymmetric core which offers drillers more opportunities to fine-tune the ball's reaction. Additionally, balls like the Ultimate or Raging Inferno have close and even superior performance profiles in oil.

Best current performance comparison to the Eliminator is the BVP Nemesis, which is assigned the same Comparison Chart position (O 17) by Brunswick. But in direct comparison with a friend's Nemesis the Eliminator in box condition had the overall (much) stronger performance, mostly due to its lower RG core and higher flare potential (0.053 - one of the highest Brunswick ever deployed).
The Eliminator is less oil or lane condition sensitive than the Nemesis, offers more traction ability (even witnh the smooth finish) and a powerful roll. It plays in a higher league, even today. I think it still can keep up with the Inferno line (at least with the Activator coverstock balls) and it will easily match the current asymmetric Zone balls' performance. It will not give you a snappy hook on oil – this is provided by other current big B balls. But, who would really needs this when you can get power, smooth hook and control to rule even the greasiest oil swamp with the Eliminator?

The Fuze Eliminator is probably underrated, but it has IMHO not been rendered obsolete by other developments. It is just easily overlooked! The Eliminator is not flashy, it does not look like much at all. Personally, I think it looks... boring. Its solid ink blue appearance with the red and white engraving lets probably many people get by without paying closer attention. I'd consider the Eliminator to be a real connoisseur tip. Get one if you can, it will be of great help in the darkest moments! Could even become a collector's item in a few years?

This ball is pure understatement. It is a ball of choice for those of you who consider sanded Viz-a-balls to be cool spare balls

Great ball, Brunswick! Too sad that it's gone.

Addendum Oct. 2005:
In the meantime I made some surface experiments and brought the coverstock to a semi-matte 1.500 grit. Not much surface one might think, but it made the Eliminator read the lane 4-6' earlier than OOB before, increasing overall hook a bit and softening the breakpoint. I tested this surface on several conditions in local houses and found that it makes the Eliminator a real heavy oil ball! The ball has became way too strong for the lanes I encounter, only 1 or 2 games and it burns up! Imagine a dull 800 grit surface... HELL!!!

Addendum Nov. 2005:
Currently I have taken it up again to 2.000 grit with an Abralon pad. Looks similar to the white Trizact pad OOB finish. This prep delivers more length, keeps the ball much longer in play but maintains the good overall traction on the midlane and backend of the 1.500 surface. A true high-grit finish seems to be the optimal choice for this coverstock.
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"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream..." - Edgar Allen Poe

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kcmoreese · « **Reply #26 on:** June 06, 2005, 12:32:40 AM »

This ball is great. The most predictable ball I roll. Ive used this ball at several lanes and got the same hard hitting results. I can't see anybody hate on this one. Dry or oily it has that same blow up the pocket sound. Sometime I miss the pocket but as the speed picks up on the backend and kills the pins.

I used this ball the wrong way for all so long. I have a 16lb and picked up my release speed and pow, nothing is left. Out of the box it was great but for me it works best with a dull shine. On my release its so close to the right gutter but gets back on the lane to hit the pocket loud. With the dull shine for me the hook is more aggressive. I cant say enough good things about this ball. Im gonna get another one drilled and dulled also. With this ball folks you dont have to be one of the guys or gals towing in 2-5 balls to the alley. Theres no lanes for me the eliminator cant take over. When I leave pins its something stupid I did.
Peace

xxhuyxx · « **Reply #27 on:** December 14, 2005, 01:07:00 AM »

This ball is so awesome. With my drilling of the pin right above my ring finger i am able to throw this ball so a wide hook and still be able to predict where its gone hit. 2 800's so far with it.
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Frank The Tank · « **Reply #28 on:** April 12, 2006, 12:00:05 AM »

Pin Inch- 2-3"
Top Weight- 2.6 ounces
Drilling Pattern- 5 by 5
Lane Conditions- Medium w/fresh and Carrydown
Result- Good and perfect for my league
Averaged last 5 games with this ball- 225

I had this ball drilled pin above ringfinger drilled 5 by 5 stacked. I tried it out in Village where I don't bowl at and it didn't give me a good reaction so when I tried it on my house pattern I was able to open up the lane better than the one in Village Lanes because they have a long oil pattern there and we have good clean and strong backends. 2 games I bowled with this ball in practice was 233 and 190. I came back tonight and I shot 705 series I was thinking about switch with that Absolute in 2nd game if things never gotten any better because the lanes were hooking strong by then, but I never gave up and never switched balls I made the right adjustments to my game to help me achieve that goal. I shot 705 set (215,245,245) and I'll never forget that night because that would be the night to remember of my first 700 set in my whole life. Like I said before the drilling I chose was for medium w/fresh and carrydown it doesn't hook that well on Long Oil patterns that's when I'll either use Ultimate or Scorchin for those condtions. My arsenal is now unstoppable I'm a dangerous bowler this coming up summer and next season too. Still gotta test my The Thing Returns from Dyno Thane I might have to plug the weight hole and place it somewhere else dunno yet just have to see. But everything else in my arsenal looks good and perfect not changing anything to screw my game up this time I got the balls I need to make me a good bowler.

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MelvinBrunsTrack · « **Reply #29 on:** May 06, 2006, 04:33:07 PM »

Well I got this one drilled up and I was very impressed. The ball was drilled to go long with a smooth control roll Medium conditions. First game 168 feeling the ball out. Next 213 and third game 219. All my other Big B equipment is very aggressive.
I give this ball 9 out of 10.

Swamp monster, Ultimate inferno, Time Zone, Absolute inferno,Fuze Elliminator,Punisher. Spare ball-plastic

lane shark · « **Reply #30 on:** September 17, 2010, 11:03:39 AM »

My pops had 2 of these 15 & 16lbs. he gave me the 16lbs which he bowled a 300 with and since i'm a lefty it was practically new for me. this ball has the truest and smoothest roll of any ball i have ever had. i can use it in oily, medium, or medium lane conditions. this ball is the perfect example of what old times say, "just let the ball do tha work for ya." not a ball for crankers. being that the ball has a true arc and not a violent backend snap, i got it drilled aggressive on the backend. if you're a stroker or a tweener you can't go wrong w/this ball.

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