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Siege
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
- Coverstock: Recoil Reactive
- Color: Solid Black / Silver
- Hardness: 75-76
- Factory Finish: 1,000 Micro pad
- Weight Block: MACE Two-component Asymmetrical Core
- RG max: 2.530
- RG int: 2.500
- RG min: 2.474
- RG diff: 0.056
- RG asym: 0.030
- Average RG: 2.8 of 10
- Hook Potential: 170 (Scale 10-175)
- Length: 100 (Scale 25-235)
- Typical Breakpoint Shape: 85 Angular (Scale Smooth Arc 10-Angular 100)
- Flare Potential: 0.056 High (Scale Low 0.00-High 0.060)
- Description: Coverstock: Introducing Recoil™ coverstock the next extension in Brunswick coverstock technology. Recoil is a evolutionary coverstock developed by Brunswick to improve the mid-lane and backend traction of the ball on today’s slicker oils and lane surfaces. The Recoil coverstock was discovered through testing of new formulation additives and process changes in coverstock manufacturing. Core: M.A.C.E. – Mechanical Asymmetric Core Engineering. The MACE™ core has three major benefits, Ultra Low RG core system to engage the Recoil coverstock, High RG differential to aid in traction through heavy oil and High RG asymmetric differential to quicken the response time to friction. Designed as a two component elliptical core system, the MACE core is dynamically the strongest asymmetric core ever produced for a Brunswick ball. Ball Motion: The Siege™ unites the new Recoil coverstock and the MACE core to produce a ball motion that is both aggressive in the oil and aggressive on the backend. The Siege is your ball when your game needs help battling heavy oil conditions and poor pin action. Seize the lanes, Conquer the pins, Defeat your opponent!!

 

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Re: Siege
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 12:53:24 PM »
Siege is drilled with the pin above ring finger with the cg kicked out one inch from middle of grip with no weight hole needed. Bowled with it on a 39 foot sport pattern that had medium to heavy volume.  e Siege was great.  Ball rolls very clean and read the midlane great and continued through the pins unlike any other Brunswick ball I have seen.  The Siege is comparable to the Virtual for sure. This is easily Brunswick's best ball produced in a long while.  I normally do not throw much Brunswick equipment but this Siege is not like the Brunswick of the last few years it reads the midlane and continues through the pins for great carry.  GREAT BALL

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Re: Siege
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 12:22:52 PM »
Just drilled the Siege last week and wow this ball is amazing. Drilled 4 3/8 Pin to PAP by 5 MB to PAP at 55 degrees with pin under ring finger. Changed surface to 1500 to get a little added length. There have been shots that I have missed wide or thought wouldn't carry but the Siege recovered and crushed the pocket leaving nothing in its path. This ball hooks at least 5 boards more than anything in my bag. Although this ball hooks a ton, it is still very controllable. The Siege allows you to open up the lanes and hit transitions faster and still carry while most balls struggle to do this. Carrydown doesn't seem to bother the Siege, and I am amazed at the energy at which it hits the pocket. So far I have bowled on a typical house shot and the PBA Chameleon pattern. Even on harder shots the Siege's amazing recovery allows you to play multiple angles on the lane and still carry. I look forward to bowling on more conditions with this great ball. Having the confidence in the Siege that I do, I know I will only continue to be more and more impressed.    
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Re: Siege
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 04:03:01 PM »
Ball Review: Seige
Date: 6/17/09

Bowler Information:

Initial ball Speed: 16.5 - 17 mph
Tilt: 10 Degrees
Axis Rotation: 30 Degrees
Rev Rate: 300-340 RPMs

Coverstock - Propel
RG min - 2.474”
Differential - .056”
Intermediate Differential - .030

Drill Specs:
Pin to PAP - 4.75”
Degree From VAL: 40"
Vertical Pin Orientation: Up
Drill Angle - 55"
Very small P2 Balance hole

Surface:

OOB 1000 Grit Micropad

The Seige is a phenomenal ball that reacts just as advertised.  This ball has a very angular and predictable move on oilier conditions with power never before seen in a Brunswick Ball.  Track flare when throwing the ball in the oiliest part of the lane was often times greater than 6 inches!  This is by far and away the strongest core used in a Brunswick ball and it shows.  The Seige is longer and has a quicker response to friction at the breakpoint when compared to the Maxx Zone.  On a heavier pattern like the shark the Seige will be a great complement to the Maxx Zone when a quicker response ball is needed to open up the lane.  The new Seige from Brunswick...the new standard in angular heavy oil balls.  Brunswick puts the pins under Seige!
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Re: Siege
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 11:06:46 PM »
The Siege is a much different motion coming from a Brunswick than we have scene before.

Out of the box, it will handle the oiliest of conditions with a very strong, continuous arch. Certainly not skid/snap, but a much more angular motion than any previous solid coverstock from Brunswick.

What has intrigued me with the Siege is even though it is a strong asymmetric cored ball, it doesn't make that sudden move when it see's friction, like many other strong, asymmetric balls. Most asymmetrical balls make a very strong move when they see friction. Then travels in a straight line in the direction it changed to. Sort of a point to point reaction. The Siege makes a strong move when it encounters friction, but seems to still continue its strong, arching motion.

After playing more with the surface, I have found the Siege to be extremely versatile. I can see where a player would want to drill 2 or 3 of these, with different surface preparations, to overcome a wide range of conditions.

I am very impressed with versatility of the Siege and can see that the R & D dept. has been working overtime to come up with a ball as good as the Siege.

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Re: Siege
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 01:59:02 AM »
Brunswick's Siege is a new high end ball designed to combat heavier volume oil patterns. The Siege has a asymmetric core named M.A.C.E. (Mechanical Asymmetric Core Engineering) which is a very Low RG core designed work with a new coverstock call Recoil. The M.A.C.E. core's High differential will assist traction in higher volume patterns and the High RG asymmetric differential will allow the Siege to respond quicker to friction. Brunswick's Recoil cover is designed to improve mid-lane and backend reaction that allows you to combat today's oils and lane surfaces.

I smoothed the Siege down to 4000 abralon then drilled it 45x5x65 with a weight hole about one inch from the mass bias mark. On the house pattern this ball created surprising length, strong but controllable move at the break, and it went through the pins with amazing energy. I was able to use this ball for 2 out of the 3 games in league competition before it became too much ball. I then tested my Siege on the 2009 USBC pattern even though I had to play the lanes straighter the ball still gave me a really good reaction, but I wanted to see what the Siege would do if I took it back to 1000 abralon. After The quick surface adjustment the Siege really showed its teeth I had more area at the break point (a good 2 to 3 boards) with this ball than I have had with my other equipment. I found it really great that even at the 1000 abralon finish the ball still cleared the heads and maintained energy at the pins. I would have say that I have found my new favorite ball to use on high volume patterns.

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Re: Siege
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 11:20:40 AM »
I recently drilled my Siege and threw it out of the box but found it to be a little too strong for my game (hig ball speed, medium rev rate) so I brought the surface up to 2000 and it's given me a much better read on the lanes.

My Siege is drilled pin to the right of my ring finger with the cg stacked under it and a hole by the thumb. I wanted to maximize this balls potential so I made sure to match it with a stronger drilling that has worked for me in the past. I have not thrown this ball on a variety of different patterns just yet but these are my thoughts as to when I feel I would.

I see myself utilizing this ball when there is a lot more volume in the patterns - not to be confused with the length of the pattern. I think that's a big mistake people make, they see a long pattern and automatically go to their strongest ball when in all reality if the volume is low that isn't necessary more than half the time. So again, I would forsee myself using this when the volumes are a bit higher to where I could get the ball through the oil and still save some energy to finish in the back.













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Re: Siege
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 05:55:07 PM »
HATS OFF TO BRUNSWICK.  I really like the Siege.  It is a very strong, but predictable ball reaction.  It kinda reminds me of a Virtual Gravity, but it is cleaner through the heads and has more continuation off the spot.  Out of the box, the shell is way too strong to use.  So I polished it just a touch with the Brunswick Polish and hit the ball with 2000 abro.  I drilled the pattern as a 3 3/8 Pin Tall with a 50 degree mass bias.  It aloud me to play in and never worry about getting it back.  I used it during the regional tournament in Centerville this weekend.  I went 234 over and finished 6 for the squad.  I won a match and lost by 1 to Ronnie Russell in the rd of 8.  I never hit the pocket so much in a regional as I did this weekend with this ball.  It also gets the corner out when it finishes.  Got to love that!  

I have already put in a order to get 2 more and I asked Rick Benoit to help with more different ways to layout out this ball.  I think Brunswick's definitely on to something.  

Do me a favor, and continue making black bowling balls.  They have always been a success for your company. Whether its a pearl, particle, or even a solid.  Everyone of your great balls that sold a ton is BLACK.  Keep up making great products.  

Mason R. Brantley (Future PBA Hall of Famer)



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Re: Siege
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2009, 10:48:26 AM »
Bowler Style - Tweener
Ball Speed - 15 mph.

Ball drilling - Pin 6" from axis and above fingers, mass bias at 45 degrees
                small weight hole on axis

With this ball, I wanted to have a ball that I would be able to play the middle of the lane aggressively without fear of my ball not recovering.  Since the house I play in is a "medium" house,  I first changed the surface to 4000 then applied polish...(man that ball is pretty)...this ball is clean thru the front and just richochets from the break point and just  tomahawks the pins.  It is just ridiculous how hard this ball hits...Its like thunder claps in the sky...I am definately going to order another one of these and drill differently for the sport and tournament conditions.  Thank you Brunswick.

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Re: Siege
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 01:00:35 AM »
I drilled my siege today with the pin 4 1/2x55x20 with no weight hole and sanded the surface to 2000 abralon.I will say this is a very different motion that i have ever seen in a Brunswick ball.Its very clean through the fronts and is very strong at the breakpoint and very continous with no quit.I compared it to my wild thing.It responds to midlane quicker and it more responsive at the breakpoint with more backend.Brunswick has some awesome balls coming out right now.Dont miss out on some of these awesome pieces that are being released.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 04:47:36 AM »
Just got my hands on my first Siege.  Took from one of my touring buddies.  Not my favorite layout for this type of ball, Pin above ring, PSA just right of thumb. Plan on drilling another one with a stronger drilling like 35x4x60.

This ball is everything I thought it would be.  It's very forgiving off the breakpoint with a strong backend and continues through the pins like nothing else I own.  The ball clears the heads nicely and starts with a very strong midlane.  I think I'm going to take this ball up to 2000 or 4000 micro pad just to get it through the middle even more and leave the next one box.

I'd love to see how this ball is going to do for me at some of the upcoming regionals.  I'm real excited with the direction Brunswick is headed.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 03:16:29 PM »
I drilled this with a 65x5x40 layout and took the sufcace up to 2000. This is got to be the cleanest solid ever out of a Brunswick ball. I threw this ball on THS and is absolutely amazing. This ball simply hooks. The Siege needs oil to operate properly. This ball is about 3 and 2 stronger than my MAxx drilled similar with alot more backend and alot more continuation. This ball again is everything Brunswick says it is. THis ball is a must have in every bag. I can't say enough about this ball. JUST GO BUY ONE!!!
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Re: Siege
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 03:50:31 PM »
I drilled this ball 50X4.5x45.  This is definitely the strongest backend asymmetrical ball Brunswick has come out with in quite a while.  It is much more continuous than the Twisted Solid.  I took mine up to 4000 on the Haus as the summer house condition is a little light.  Moving inside the ball had no trouble clearing the front on the fresh and made an explosive move on the back.  Box finish works a little better on the USBC pattern, but I easily had 4 more board to the right than any other ball in my bag.  This will be the ball that will put Brunswick back on alot of people's radar.

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Re: Siege
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 08:52:57 PM »
Ball: Brunswick Siege

Layout:

Pin 5” from PAP below fingers
60-degree locator line angle
(Dual-angle:  60 by 5” by 70)
No XH

Initial Surface Preparation:

Box finish

Purpose:

To give me a more angular look on oilier medium conditions.  I’ve been using a Maxxx Zone on volume, and it does the job well as long as I play more direct.  If I need to open up the midlane or back end, though, I usually have to turn to something like the Wild Ride and choke down on the shot, as the Maxxx doesn’t like crossing boards.

Why this ball?

The Siege is intended to be extremely strong, and to compete with the high-end offerings from other manufacturers.  It was also designed to be more lateral at the break than other recent Brunswick high-end balls, such as the Twisted Fury Solid.

Observations:

The first time I threw the Siege was at a center with HPL in front and older wood in back.  For whatever reason, the lanes weren’t playing quite as forgiving as usual.  There wasn’t as much of a launchpad in front, or the usual amount of recovery room to the outside.  However, the Siege did a decent job of navigating this condition.  I did have to get my feet further left than with the other equipment in the bag, but it still saved enough energy to make a strong move at the break and kick the corners.

I used the Siege again at this center when the condition was playing more favorable, and I was particularly impressed at the way this ball stayed on line in the front part of the lane, and just how angular the reaction was down lane.  In box finish, though, I was seeing a bit of over-under at the break during transition, so I took the ball up to 2000 smooth and tried it again the following week.  This let me play a straighter trajectory, which improved my carry due to my not giving up as much of the pocket, but I still seemed to have the same recovery when I did lose a shot right of target down lane.

Conclusions:

The first time I threw the Siege, I was reminded of the reaction that I had with the Strike Zone, but without the flutter.  The Siege gives me a much cleaner look in the front part of the lane, and gives me more forgiveness at the break.  This ball is also significantly less sensitive to minor variations in my release than the Strike Zone was.

The other thing that I’ve noticed with the Siege is that it maintains its presence through the pin deck, even on shots that recover from wide of target.  With the Strike Zone, and to a lesser degree the Twisted Fury Solid, I had to be careful to not let the ball didn’t cover too many boards in the back part of the lane, as my carry would suffer.  I haven’t yet had this problem with the Siege.

For me, the Siege has proven to be a worthy complement to the Maxxx Zone for higher volumes.  On tighter patterns, where I have to play more direct but still need to get the ball into a roll sooner, the Maxxx Zone is still my ball of choice.  However, on fresher house or “Holiday Tree” conditions, the Siege will allow me to create more area with its ability to read the dry and recover.

NOTE:  The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2009, 10:05:13 PM »
Brunswick Siege:
2.75” pin
2.8 oz top

I got this ball because I needed something that would be able to turn the corner and to go around longer and higher volume patterns. Something that my Maxxx Zones struggle with (because of my choice of layouts) is getting deep so that was my main priority in this ball.

Drilling:
50* by 5” by 50*

The only pattern that I’ve thrown the Siege on is a higher volume version of the Chameleon. After this, I wouldn’t dare even try to throw it on my med-dry THS. I found two lines during practice with this ball, I could “boom” it straight up 2 or play a swing from 20 at the laydown to 10 at the breakpoint with the same speed and revs. By “booming” it, I was throwing 18.5-19mph with at least 400 revs. The carry and continuity was simply amazing. My only tap of the night was a ringing 10. Everything else was just destroyed. Trip 4s, trip 9s, insane messengers, 10 pins just getting slapped silly, etc.. Everyone has been talking about how this ball reacts differently than anything in the Brunswick line, and they are correct. The power I saw through the pin deck had me amazed that I didn’t leave a 9 pin all night. As I moved inside, the Siege kept on cornering no matter how far in I moved and still finished VERY strong through the deck. This ball perfectly complements the earlier rolling Maxxx Zone. I can’t wait to throw this ball on a longer pattern like the Shark.

If you’re looking for a high performance asymmetric, the Siege is the ball for you. Control, carry, continuity… Enough said!

ON EDIT:
I just bowled a tournament today on the older Shark at 50uL per board instead of 40uL, so it was flooded to say the least. I was able to start up 10 with around 17.5mph off my hand and 400ish rpms. The Siege was perfect for this condition and really showed its true strength. Where other balls might “puke” after finally getting to friction that late downlane, the Siege just kept cornering. I was able to make small moves in throughout the 6 games and the furthest in I got was with a laydown of 17 out to 11 at the breakpoint. As I said, no worries about this ball not cornering and leaving a weak 10 or something similar. Hands down, the Siege is the best asymmetric ball I’ve ever thrown! I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a couple more ended up working their way in my arsenal.

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