Author Topic: Time Zone wasn't as expected, What should I do?? Absolute? (Read 2725 times)

UCFKnight300 · « **on:** February 10, 2005, 02:42:49 PM »

Well I was looking for a ball that would give me a smoother overall reaction down lane compared to my Classic(drilled pin above ring, mass bias 2 inch right of thumb, hole on val). So my coach recommended a time zone and had me drill it pin blow bridge and mass bias kicked out a little farther than the classic, hole on my val. Well this thing just hooks. Way more ball than I was expecting, in the front part of the lane and the back.

I'd rather not redrill it, possibly sell it to someone on here if they are interested, it's got maybe 2 games. I have decided that assymetrical stuff just doesn't match up to my roll like I would like it to. The absolute just looks too good not to try and I was thinking of drillings.

On bruswickinsiders I noticed a bunch of the higher reve guys putting pins above the middle finger in the negative quad. I was wondering if doing this and keeping the cg in my centerline will give me good length and a smoother backend reaction? I also have come to the conclusion that I should stick with pin up drillings, cause i need length more often that not.
Well my profile has some info and my vid was in that post that was graciously made up by one of you guys that held all the vids. Any help is appreciated.

Mike Larsen
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UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2005, 05:09:04 AM »

ttt
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:39:37 AM »

Boy that's funny.

My Time Zone was sooooo smooth when I wanted more!

3 3/8 X mass bias on val. Very round good hit but wanted to get too far down lane a lot!

Had a lot of good games with it when I wasn't ringing 10s!

REgards,

Luckylefty
A friend who gets no backend(I always get a lot) drilled his TZwith mass bias under thumb all of a sudden he had big backend on a ball! Very sensitive to mass bias position due to strong mass bias!

DP3 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2005, 12:02:27 PM »

Hey Mike. I like your idea of the pin over the middle finger and C.G on the center of grip. I'f your PAP is under 4 1/2 inches(like mine) that can transfer to a pretty flippy drilling. I usually use something like that for maximum skid/flip since my PAP is 3 3/4 right and 1/4 up, it comes out to be like a 4 1/2 x 4 for me. If you have a higher PAP that could be the smoothness that you are looking for with length. I've seen alot of college players with high revrates use that drill in the Nemesis and Regular Inferno and it looks like it works.

Another smooth drill I've found out that works for higher rev players that I've layed out on a couple of guys balls back home is to find like a 1 1/2-2 inch pin out, place the pin under the ring finger, and the C.G under the middle, or a little bit left under the middle finger, just make sure you're left with about 1/2oz negative weight(a weighthole might be needed past your bowtie in the negative quadrant). It is a bit earlier revving but still very smooth on the backend.
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UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2005, 03:25:07 PM »

My PAP is just over 5 i'm pretty sure, and 1/2 up.
I loved the reaction of my now retired inferno, so i figured if I drilled the absolute a little tamer I should be able to get just as good, if not better reaction. Infrno was 3in. pin above ring w/ cg below.
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Edited on 2/11/2005 4:23 PM

UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2005, 12:30:05 AM »

i appreciate all the info so far, but looking for some further thoughts
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Phillip Marlowe · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:52:25 PM »

Shine it up. It'll take the edge off it. You seem to forget that this IS PK18, so it is a strongish cover. Keep it shiny, it'll get down the lane and be relatively mellow for a ball with that strong a cover. Oh, and you're coach is ...wrong. That drill pattern will cause the ball to roll earlier and given your revs and speed, that means it just makes the ball hook more.
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2005, 04:59:25 AM »

quote:
i appreciate all the info so far, but looking for some further thoughts
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As Mr. Marlowe indicated, the Time Zone can be helped somewhat by polishing and your coach needs to get up on some of these Brunswick balls before making recommendations. The Brunswick charts can be a huge help in seeing the differences between balls.

The main difference between the Classic and the Time is the coverstocks. Time has PK 18 and the CLassic has Activator; not big difference between them in oil handling or overall hook; however, there can be big difference in the look of the ball on the lane. Generally you'd use one or the other. Time Zone can be spooky strong at times. Radically different drilling and surface preps can make them more different, but that Time Zone drilling can be VERY early rolling.

Either an Intense or a Power Groove may have been a much better step down from the Classic.

You're wrong abut needing a pin over the bridge because you need length. You can do that, but you'd be better off picking the right ball first rather than trying to force a ball that looks nice in someone else's hand to work for you. Pin over the bridge always makes the ball more flippy and harder to control. It is NOT always the right thing to do; sometimes it is. It can work but why force it?

UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2005, 10:17:40 AM »

Thanks for the info guys. I was definetly planning on shinning it up to see if it helps. I'll test it out monday and get let you know how much it helped.
charlest,
As far as pin up balls, I drilled a frenzy 2 years ago trying to get a similar reaction and it didn't do much for me either. Currently my Ultimate is pin down, and that ball is awesome. I don't know if I just like the activator cover that much more because how clean it is through the front. Bowling college tournies with 10 on a pair causes for drastic changes in the patterns and I think the activator helps conquer this better. Still not sure what I will do, but thanks for the help and I'll let you guys know.

Mike
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University of Central Florida + Brunswick = Collegiate Domination

a_ak57 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:41:37 AM »

I remember, you said that you loved your inferno's reaction. Buddies has infernos in the Ultimate Specials section for 110 plus shipping. Just thought i'd mention that.
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UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2005, 02:50:35 PM »

i can get one a little cheaper than that, but our team might be getting some absolutes i hear now so we'll see if i can get my hands on one.
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a_ak57 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2005, 02:54:37 PM »

Unless you changed your mind in another post, I don't think the absolute will be the really smooth ball you are looking for.
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UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:04:52 PM »

Well shined it up and ball does give me a better roll. Went to practice monday and it was 41ft so couldn't really get as good of read, but threw it in league tonight. Ball gets a bunch more length and makes a nice move to the pocket. Still a good 4 boards stronger I think than my classic, the Time Zone actually gave me a better look tonight cause they were playing tighter in the back.

But I still don't think it's gona be useful for me. I'm seriously considering dropping the assymetrical stuff. I'm gona reslug my blazing inferno tomorrow(spans a tad long) and i'm gona look into getting an absolute. This way i'll have Ultimate, Absolute, Blazing, Punisher and spare(college bowling tournies only allow 5 balls). Granted the assymetricals are great at being versatile but for me I don't get as consistent reaction out of it as I would like. I know I could be more consistent at the bottom, but right now this is what I think will help me the most.

Thanks for everyone's help again.

Mike
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