Author Topic: Alright Brunswick, this is your last chance (Read 4661 times)

Raven829 · « **on:** January 25, 2005, 06:42:26 PM »

As of right now, I have the OI, and honestly can't stand it. I am not bashing it because I know a LOT of people swear by it, but it just doesn't match up with me. I had decided to sell it a couple weeks ago. I decided to pull it out one last time tonight to give it a final shot at redeeming itself. 2.5 hours later, I have recorded 16 10-pins for a 3 game series. Moved forward, backwards, left, right, and it didn't make a bit of difference. That ball is history as of this weekend.

I bought an II a few weeks back, hoping that I would match up better with that ball. Out of the box on our house shot, it would make the most sudden and profound left turn I have ever seen, and stop. It was terribly uncontrollable, so I played with the surface to try and mellow it out. Mellow it did, but it became allergic to any kind of carrydown. It was much more usable in this state, but I have other stuff that does a better job on a fresh THS. So I recently traded it for a UI...

The drills on both my II and OI were very similar. Pin above ring, CG kicked out maybe an inch? Both have weight holes, but I couldnt tell you where they are in relation to my midline or VAL, because I simply do not know. The pin on my OI was actually very high, while on my II the pin got drilled into slightly. So what I need are drilling suggestions for the UI. My PAP is 5 1/4" over and 1" up. I really don't need the ball for a THS. I need it more for a 2nd shift league that follows a lousy bowler's league. Medium oil, fairly dry outside of 8, and sloppy backends. Hopefully I will also be able to use it for a more medium-heavy THS with slight carrydown. I would say that I have slightly above average revs, and medium speed. Cmon guys, 3rd try's the charm.

Don

BrunsNick · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2005, 02:51:42 AM »

Any way you can post an uncut video of you throwing the two balls? Sayyyy, 2 shots with each ball so we can see whats up? I'm sure we can resolve something!
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!

Raven829 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2005, 03:03:36 AM »

Yo Nick!
I don't have the II anymore, and I don't have any video of me throwing the OI. Tomorrow after class I will go to the lanes and take a few vids of the OI and a couple other balls I have for comparison. No telling what the shot will be like, and I'm warning everyone now- I was told I have no talent by my old coach, and now I'm convinced of it. It won't be pretty, but something has to work.

Don

BrunsNick · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2005, 03:08:18 AM »

I just kind of want to get an idea of mechanics, so maybe we can match you up a little better.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!

sammy the sage · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2005, 05:50:35 AM »

polish the ball; then very "lite" (by hand only) scotch-briting....the SOB will start "carry-ing" like crazy...plus smoother read...yet still get thru heads.

will have to start charging for these "tips/tricks" some day.

Easy10pins · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2005, 11:48:21 AM »

quote:
Yo Nick!I was told I have no talent by my old coach, and now I'm convinced of it. It won't be pretty, but something has to work.

Don

Don't think like that. Everyone has the ability to be an awesome bowler. Unfortunately, people, (like me), don't always know the best drilling for a ball to match their style of play.

I went and bowled a few games at my fave house last night. I would have had vid but some little brat knocked over my vid cam. I realized that for my style of bowling, I need a ball that ARCS rather than SKID/SNAP. My Goliath has a massive arc and shreds the deck even on light hits. My TimeZone, skid/snap, but controllable, (pin right of the fingers). My Bruiser, very skid/snap, (pin above the fingers), and my SlayR, it just rolls straight because I wanted a 10pin ball and/or something I can use on extremely dry lanes.

So once you learn more about how to set up your ball for your style of play, I think your game will improve.

I'm basically in the same boat as you; second shift league, lanes fairly burned out. Usually the oil is pushed to the outside via the straight bowlers or the groove is burned up via the crankers. I've decided to opt for the Zone Classic.

I hope this helps.
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DP3 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2005, 11:53:15 AM »

I have seen a couple of infernos drilled with the pin next to the ring finger and the C.G in palm, basically a label layout. This particular layout seems to completely kill the ball in the heads and midlane and give it virtually no backend. I think it might be that the core is so strong that by laying it at a 45 degree angle that it instantly sets up and finds it's PSA therefore giving you ZERO possibility of generating any movement the last 25-30 feet. If this is the case, consider redrilling. Drilling inferno's, I've seen that you have to follow the brunswick sheet accordingly and for the desired reaction you're looking for, the best bet would be to place the pin over the ring finger, about 4.5-5 inches from your PAP and have the C.G kicked at least 1 1/2 - 2 inches away from your palm. Drill the weighthole in the finger positive quadrant until the static weights come out how you want them.

I don't think you have a bad ball, but a plug and redrill might be the best option.
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2005, 12:01:29 PM »

By your pap 5 1/4 over 1 inch up you are a high tracker that is rounding the ball, i am breaking this problem myself. You are going to get tapped to death with almost any shiny strong ball, i have been staying through the ball myself and carrying alot more ten pins since a coach caught this flaw in my game. You have almost no tilt which means the ball is usually out of energy before it hits the pins, by changing your release and if you can add tilt the ball will drive the pins instead of coming so hard and angular that you get tapped all night. Also your pap stats should help your driller layout the ball better and keep you away from certain cover/core choices.

I have been rolling well lately with an Impulse Zone and a Lane 1 hybrid Dirty Bomb layed out for my pap, i am 5 1/2 was 1 inch up but working on being closer to zero. I have noticed my track migrating down about another inch since working on the change the last two weeks or so. If i can help anymore let me know or pm-barry

Phillip Marlowe · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2005, 12:08:13 PM »

Mr. Bowling Nut is right. This ball will tap you to death if you have minimal axis tilt. Boy, does it....
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2005, 12:28:26 PM »

You can probably save the ball with a couple of different options like Sammy The Sage said polish 2 side or 4 side do not polish highly and litely take a 2000 abralon pad or 2000 grit sandpaper to the ball by hand. Also do not count out going with 2000 smooth sheen finish on a spinner to help the jumpiness of the ball out or sanding to 600 and then litely polishing right on top on that it will give some bite under the polish and still get you through the heads well.

I carry the abralon pads in a side pouch of my bag in warmup i will adjust my surface of one ball for the shot out there right then and keep my step down balls the same. I have a 2000,1000 and 500 pad very useful and only cost about 4-5 bucks each they are what Ebonite uses at there factory for surfaces. LAsts much longer than sandpaper and water passes through the pads so on a spinner they work even better. If you cant find one of these a grey scotchbrite would give you about a 800-1000 matte finish by hand roughly but the abralon pads are way more even cutting the surface evenly and worth the trouble of getting.

Raven829 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2005, 05:19:25 PM »

Well, I went to the lanes today to take some video. They turned out ok(as best my camera could manage). The problem is that the files are each about 15 seconds long, and I have no editing software to shorten them any. If anyone would be so kind as to crop them for me so I can post them, it would be much appreciated. I have 2 playing the same line with different balls, and 1 from a different angle to try and get a better view of my release.

Don

BrunsNick · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2005, 05:24:04 PM »

If you have a newer version of Windows, then you should have Windows Movie Maker. You can import and crop videos there.

I'll check them out later tonight when I get home.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!

Raven829 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 26, 2005, 05:31:31 PM »

Thanks Nick, I will mess with it for awhile and try to figure it out. .mov files are a pain...

Raven829 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:04:45 PM »

For your viewing pleasure...sorry the quality sucks

Inferno-
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNzU2NDQ2NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

Crimson Executioner-
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNzU2NDQ4NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

Inferno, different camera angle-
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNzU2NDQ3NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

This was a different house than I normally bowl at. The mids were fried, so I had to move in farther than I'm normally comfortable with. As it figures, I shot 246 and 259 while taking these. One more thing of note, I had a friend that runs the pro shop there measure my PAP off my Inferno track. It was measured at 5 1/8" over and 3/16" up. Quite a bit different from what I originally told all of you. That's what I get for not having it checked for a few years.

Don

BrunsNick · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:34:03 PM »

All I saw was CRUSH BOOM SMASH CRUSH!

What does the surface on the OI look like? Good shape?

Mechanics look solid, I dunnnnno. Help me out here, give me a little more insight. Where are you trying to attack the lanes?
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
Â¡Viva la naciÃ³n de Brunswick!

Author Topic: Alright Brunswick, this is your last chance (Read 4661 times)

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