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DougS

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C-system 3.5
« on: December 12, 2009, 12:38:12 AM »
I have heard the C-system 3.5 (not out yet) hooks off the lane.  Have any you Brunswick staffers spoken with the Brunswick guys or heard about this ball?

 

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2009, 10:48:00 AM »
Not a big fan of the term "Hooks off the lane", but yes, the 3.5 is going to be more aggressive than the 2.5. I saw where someone already divulged how much more reaction he saw, but we are holding back info for right now until we get closer to the release date. Our focus right now is on how good the 2.5 is and also the Wild Card and Diamondback for their effectiveness on oil.

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 03:23:21 PM »
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Why is everyone putting out balls that nobody with any kind of hand can use on normal conditions? The majority of bowlers that I see manufacturers target are the local house bowler, who bowls on the same THS week to week.

Sure, it hooks and the average bowler likes that, but what happens when the average bowler buys it and it rolls out at the arrows ball after ball? They get pissed off and look somewhere else. The rest of us will simply never have a need for this ball outside of non-THS tournament conditions.


I know it is getting ridiculous, every company keeps putting out monster hookers, and it is going to far. Brunswick has a Siege, Wild Card, Diamondback, and now a C-system 3.5. How many oil balls do you need, come on this is ridiculous.

Storm and Roto are the same way, Mutant cell, comes out, and now Invasion is getting ready to be released. It is stupid

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 04:12:09 PM »
I have to disagree with ya''ll. I throw brunswick on THS and Regional patterns. I can throw any of the new releases on any thing. Every company comes out with strong balls. But the C system, although a strong ball, is going to be clean through the front and retain its energy for the back part of the lane. The reason these companies do this is because every bowler that comes into a proshop wants the new hook monster. This is how they make money. But I highly doubt people can''t throw most of the equipment. I know I can throw all of the releases, and so can a lot of people that I help out on ball choices for. Every ball has a specific place in the bag. I will give you my take on the entire line of Brunswick Balls.
Brunswick Siege- Strong in the mid lane with a smooth continuous reaction
Wild Card- Same motion in the front as the Siege, but more kick in the back
Wild thing-Pearl cover clean, but picks up in the midlane quicker than the c system, so for me is a little condition specific.
C System 2.5-Cleaner than any Brunswick ball, with more pop than any Brunswick ball, goes through the pins like no other.
Python-Inferno Core brings back a motion that reminds me of the original inferno. Pretty smooth reaction throughout the lane.
Diamondback-With the Rocket core, for me is a ball for the fresh on the shorter patterns, when the Wild Card and Siege are too strong.
Every ball has a place, I feel that this is the reason they put out so many balls. Some places have no oil but some places are flooded. Oil patterns are so different from place to place. Some times they put out new equipment, because older equipment does eventually get oil soaked. The good thing is that Brunswick has the longest lasting covers for me so I can use a ball much longer.

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 07:56:05 PM »
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Why is everyone putting out balls that nobody with any kind of hand can use on normal conditions? The majority of bowlers that I see manufacturers target are the local house bowler, who bowls on the same THS week to week.

Sure, it hooks and the average bowler likes that, but what happens when the average bowler buys it and it rolls out at the arrows ball after ball? They get pissed off and look somewhere else. The rest of us will simply never have a need for this ball outside of non-THS tournament conditions.


I used to think this same way.  But, I like to stay current
and use the latest equipment.  It makes the game more fun.

You can play around with the ball surface.  But, more
importantly, learn how to adjust your release so the
ball do not over react.

I had to change my release.  It was too strong on
the shorter/medium oil patterns with the modern
bowling ball.  You need to evolve with the game.

Take for example the WSOB Cheetah championship.
Norm won.  How?  He adjusted his release.  Used
a semi-agressive reactive resin (second dimension)
and carried better than his opponent did, who
was using urethane.  I think that there was
a great lesson given by Norm.

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 08:07:38 PM »
I guess every manufacturer assumes bowlers bowl on fresh oil all the time.

I do recall my teammate using a Seige on a THS with a variaton of medium oil in the middle and it rolled out.

Currently the strongest ball I can use is a Gladiator pearl and even that is too strong at times.

I guess I don't bowl for the "cool" factor.......
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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 08:27:54 PM »
I understand what everyone is saying, but that is why companies make so many balls. If you can't throw a hook monster, then get you an avalanche Pearl. It goes very long. If you can't throw that ball then get you a groove. Its very hard to please everyone. But once again the reason these companies come out with more hook monsters, is because they sell more. Also for you storm bowler, if you have to drill a pin axis c system, then you have no oil at all or no speed. This ball clears the fronts very easy. This ball will not over react, and if it does add a little bit of polish to it, its that easy. Go try out some regionals or PBA experience leagues, you will find plenty enough oil for your 500+ rev rate. Also a ball will hook less with the same amount of revs if you change your release to coming behind the ball more, this is how all of the Exempt guys get their balls down the lane with their high rev rates. Good Luck and if you need help with making ball choices let me know.
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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2009, 09:26:12 PM »
Guys I understand not everyone has a need for a ball with more overall hook potential. Its a tournament ball for sure.  On a house pattern its not as critical which ball you throw.  I'm personally really excited for the C-system 3.5 for tournament use because even though I have other companies balls with high hook potential they don't drive thru the pins like the 2.5.  I am looking forward to having the 3.5 in my bag.  Hopefully on a long oil pattern its going to give me the extra strike I need against someone that doesn't have a 3.5 in their bag. I am always looking for any advantage I can find.

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2009, 09:48:25 PM »
i've always been a straighter player even though i hook the ball more than i used to. brunswicks c-system 2.5 is working great for me. no complaints here. i've always said that power players are at a disadvantage in the long run. i will definitely look into the 3.5 when it comes out.

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 08:47:31 AM »
StormBowler, we plan on having Consumer type ball demoing as we go through 2010. You will probably start hearing about them around February. We ran a few this Fall while we were out doing seminars for shops and letting the shop owners/reps throw the balls. We got great reviews on the balls and they thought we ran the demo portion very well, so we plan to do more of this, geared more towards the customer now.

As for not being able to throw the higher hook potential balls, many bowlers in your category of rev rate have adjusted their games to adapt and are seeing good results. There are many of us that could rev the ball more if we wanted too or needed too, but the reality is that this is rarely successful. Just look for balls with less differential when choosing a ball and you should be able to adjust the ball surface from that point to create a usable ball with successful results. That is exactly why we have the ball choices we have, and yes, the majority of bowlers need the hook and we are designing the majority of balls to fit these bowlers.

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 08:57:39 AM »
Let me get this straight...

People are concerned about a newer ball that hooks more than the 2.5. So, at this point, the 2.5 is the problem, and nothing else? Bowlers with larger rev rates are complaining about equipment that tears a pattern up or moves the oil around?  You don't think that a ball @ 450+ RPM doesn't do some damage to a pattern?  Pot, meet kettle.  I see plenty of aggressive equipment early in tournaments and the players, eventually, do what all talented competitors do what they need to do to flourish, they adapt.  Nothing new there.

If Brunswick wishes to introduce a newer ball with a higher hook potential, so be it. It's not like Big B is blazing a new trail of marketing, research, & development with that premise.  Nothing new, part deux.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 10:58:48 AM »
none of the other companies that make high performance bowling balls are blazing a new trail of marketing, research, and development either..........

230-n-up-or-bust

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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2009, 11:18:28 AM »
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none of the other companies that make high performance bowling balls are blazing a new trail of marketing, research, and development either..........


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Re: C-system 3.5
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 02:25:32 AM »
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I agree, I don't bowl for the "cool" factor either. I bowl to score well and be the best I possibly can be. Buying the latest hook monster only to watch it roll out at the arrows is not something I'm interested in.



That's it. Personally, I want equipment that actually works on the lane. A ball is not supposed to hook for me, but to work in a specific condition window, reliably, so I can use it with confidence and not become riddled with weird reactions, caused by overly aggressive coverstock designs... I find it, with the praised "hooks-more-than any-ball-before" marketing, ever more complicated to asses a ball's potential.
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