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Kinalyx

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Ball to kill backends?
« on: January 27, 2007, 09:34:11 AM »
I realized today that i very rarely have the opportunity to truly see what flying back ends r like anymore.  Today i went out to bowl & the back ends were clean enough to eat off of, im talkin NOTHING out there.

I tried everything i had, a dull total inferno stayed somewhat controlled off the break, but died b4 it got to the pins, my lanemasters world class hit the dry & took a u turn to the pocket, worked great, but gave me absolutely zero area.  My doom took a HARD left, & i couldnt play right of 18 with it at all.

The only ball i had that stayed somewhat tame was my smokin inferno, 5.5" pin to pap, with a flare reducing weight hole.  I cant get this ball to wrinkle half the time, & i could somewhat consistantly play 15 to 5 with it without too much over/under.


Is there anything anyone can suggest for taming flying back ends?  My only thought was a mammoth, drilled with the pin about 5" to pap, under fingers, with a ton of polish on it.

Any other ideas?

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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2007, 05:37:47 PM »
My Lane #1 Dirty Bomb, highly polished, pin under ring, cg stacked, weight hole. That ball is awesome for flying backends. The Absolute Inferno may be close to comparison for Big B, I'm not for sure.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2007, 05:50:09 PM »
No offense, but you guys must not see flying backends very much.  A Mammoth with a ton of polish on it is the best idea I've seen.  It also depends on how you throw the ball.  You're either a stroker or a slow tweener if the difference in the backends is that noticeable and that tough on your reaction.  Highly polished particle is your best bet.  Anything else will still go too long and be too jumpy, solids aren't like they used to be.  Maybe something particle pearl would work too.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2007, 08:14:23 PM »
My stats r fairly average(IMO), about 17-18mph, 350-375rpms, HIGH track.

Typically i dont see dry back ends often, usually even my fresh shot has oil on the back end, i have to rely on getting the ball right to get any movement usually(at my home center).  Today the back ends were stripped, & where i would usually just move left into the oil to get more skid, today i had no chance of that.  If the break point was inside of 10, even if playing 25 or 30 at the arrows, it still went thru the nose or brooklyn.

It was REALLY frustrating that moving "into the oil" didnt work at all, it felt like i was on a medium/long oil sport shot.  Which would be fine, but i was prebowling for a sunday night fun league where my teammates all average under 150.

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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 09:23:01 PM »
why not a shined up ambush.. it is a pearl particle but its still very controlable.. i know its not the same core as the mammoth but its still a good particle ball.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 09:32:16 PM »
Well I can think of three different ways to conquer those lane conditions. Your first choice would be to drill up a pearl 3 piece ball with a pancake weight block. It does not matter how you punch this ball up do pancake weight block, unless you have tons of hand. If you have lots of hand then I feel you should put the pin above and in between your fingers, and kick out your cg towards your PAP, if this still moves to much take all the thumb weight out. Your second option would be to drill up a lesser aggressive bowling ball with a very low RG preferably an older ball. The older balls are more predictable and more even rolling. Now depending on what hand you are this is what you want to do. If you are right handed as I am you are going to want to put the pin under your index finger and put your Cg in your palm. This will get your ball to check up early and set, this will be more predictable to read the lanes. The third option is to get a ball than as a mild shell and a light bulb or mild even core core. This ball can not be a mass bias ball. You then want to drill this ball with your pin above and between you fingers and your CG 1 inch negative from you center of palm. I hope these lay outs will help you as much as they have helped me.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 10:05:14 PM »
You can't really know what you would need with out knowing how much volume is in the front part of the lane.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 10:25:12 PM »
Rotogrip Mercury...get left and wheel it.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2007, 05:49:48 AM »
Take a weaker ball, and put the mb in your track. It will give you a controlled backend.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2007, 05:59:41 AM »
VEry interesting inputs; I'm "tagging along" to see what other threads are posted on this subject ...
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2007, 08:19:16 AM »
Now that he posted his stats, I'll agree with you on that one, a polished Mammoth probably wouldn't be the way to go.  With that rev rate, plastic or a Power Groove Dry/R would probably work.  If the backends are flying that much, plastic is really the only thing that will give you control.  Hitting the pocket all day and picking up what simple spares you leave is better than being all over the map, right?

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I dunno Hampster.. my Mammoth polished kicks on the backend more than any solid ball at 800 grit I have ever thrown.

I still say solid like stated earlier.

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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2007, 08:32:28 AM »
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why not a shined up ambush.. it is a pearl particle but its still very controlable.. i know its not the same core as the mammoth but its still a good particle ball.
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Bro, my ambush flips pretty hard on less than clean backends. I would say it actually moves harder off the spot than my absolute.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2007, 12:14:52 PM »
My Absolute Inferno is great on a fresh house shot with stripped backends.  The place I bowl on Bwick syn. lanes, they strip the backends five days a week.

Standing right foot on 24 and targeting 9 board at arrows, even if I don't hit the release perfect the ball will usually carry under these conditions. It picks up the roll fairly early and continues through the backend. Just a nice strong move, no jump.

If the heads are really heavily oiled then you need something stronger to start out with.  But at this house the ball is perfect.

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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2007, 12:21:58 PM »
Anything with surface will help on these type of conditions. Or if you want to get fancy, drill a ball with a full roller layout, they produce a strong hook/stop reaction.
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Re: Ball to kill backends?
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2007, 08:57:22 AM »
I use my Ebonite Tomahawk Explosion with polish on it and that always works, as long as you keep the speed up
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