Author Topic: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is (Read 19968 times)

rattlesnake · « **on:** February 07, 2013, 11:27:25 AM »

Big Tom Hess and the rest of the Brunswick team are second to none!

PaulDennis · « **Reply #31 on:** February 28, 2013, 09:25:12 AM »

When you refer to "we", let's clarify that this means you. And if you want crap to be contained in the unmoderated forum, then you follow suit. If I see you denigrating or disparaging another poster, I WILL speak up. It's one thing having a difference of opinion. These guys appear to have differing opinions on different ball companies and which bowlers are better than whom. That's fine. But your rants and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 09:18:01 AM

Listen, clown. I'm not debating you in this forum. Ask your buddy, Milo. He'll fill you in. We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #32 on:** February 28, 2013, 09:33:42 AM »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but if you look at the actual numbers, Storm is leading the way (and that's a fact) I'm not here to bash any company either and Brunswick absolutely has some great players on their staff and tons of people love their equipment, both facts as well.

Now regarding staff positions, there's plenty of times people get put on staff without having monster credentials. Some cases because they run a shop and can push the product and other times who knows maybe they do know someone at the company. There's also a ton of great players not on a staff for whatever reason.

Quote from: rattlesnake on February 27, 2013, 04:47:15 PM

storm making it rain,

I stand corrected. Bad choice of words calling Kretzer a scrub. His credentials are strong.

My point to Sooner was addressing him saying Kretzer was added to Roto's staff PRIOR to winning on the largest stage. My contention is he was added due to cronyism. After he won, different story. But certainly the guy has strong creds.

As I said, I'm not here to discuss Roto Grip. I simply think the Big B team is second to none.

Quote from: storm making it rain on February 27, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
Yeah Kretzer is a scrub http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/5457 In my opinion he's had a ton of success both regionally and on the the national tour joined in 2001 I believe

now compare the number to Tom Hess http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/9237
not even close in my opinion, except for winning a major title. Hess joined in 2003

Quote from: rattlesnake on February 27, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too. Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.

Quote from: soonerdallas on February 27, 2013, 08:23:41 AM
Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
Quote from: rattlesnake on February 26, 2013, 01:11:05 PM
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2013, 09:41:56 AM »

Quote from: PaulDennis on February 28, 2013, 09:25:12 AM

When you refer to "we", let's clarify that this means you. And if you want crap to be contained in the unmoderated forum, then you follow suit. If I see you denigrating or disparaging another poster, I WILL speak up. It's one thing having a difference of opinion. These guys appear to have differing opinions on different ball companies and which bowlers are better than whom. That's fine. But your rants and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 09:18:01 AM
Listen, clown. I'm not debating you in this forum. Ask your buddy, Milo. He'll fill you in. We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.

You're not the moderator of this site, last I checked. Keep your personal vendettas out these forums.

Nails · « **Reply #34 on:** February 28, 2013, 12:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 09:18:01 AM

Listen, clown. I'm not debating you in this forum. Ask your buddy, Milo. He'll fill you in. We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.

Sounds like a moderator wanna be comment to me. Sure looks like you're telling someone how to use the forum.

rattlesnake · « **Reply #35 on:** February 28, 2013, 12:33:18 PM »

Before I regret addressing you, I want to thank storm making it rain, Paul Dennis, and Nails for your respective comments regarding what amounts to free speech and freedom of opinions. I honestly don't know what this guy wants with me, sending me lewd pm's and chiming in on my threads with this crap. Maybe he's just hurt because I blew off his advances.

Now as I said, I'll likely regret asking, but what is it your wanting me to deny? I make no denials about liking Brunswick and their staff and being a huge fan. I also appreciate the poster who likes Storm. Thats his right. What Vise and Turbo crap have I stirred up for 2 years? I haven't been here but maybe 2 months. I've posted probably 15-20 times about Brunswick's staff since joining and you take issue with one innocuous comment about Vise and Turbo?

Are you pissed about my Kretzer comment? I stand by that. Not that he's a scrub, I admittedly used a bad choice of words, but he did get asked to join Roto Grip's staff long before he accomplished anything. I believe that's because of his ties to Robert Dong and Lee Upp. My point about Upp is he got caught red handed in a scam last year as a rep for Turbo yet was selling Vise's accessories. You can't tell me someone at Vise didn't know what was going on, they signed the guy's checks. If Kretzer is loyal to his friend I can't knock that, but I am shocked Roto Grip would employ Upp. That's all I was saying there. And you can't be in this business and not know what went down last year. I have to believe Roto Grip knows like everyone else does.

My money is on you having some issue with Big Hess and don't like me tooting his horn and posting all about their plaudits. Get used to it. Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, are tops in my book!

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 07:41:19 AM

Ah, no denial to being called The Beast, eh "rattlesnake"

Everybody, I urge you to strongly ignore whatever else this guy posts. This is the guy who stirred up all the Vise vs. Turbo crap for about two years and made a mess of the site. Anything he posts, just let it die a well deserved and ignored death. You can see he's not posting anything of substance, just cheerleading for some regional "stars" on Brunswick's staff. He's now starting to get what he wants with some of the responses saying "Storm is best, Brunswick sucks".

Don't play his game. Ignore him.

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #36 on:** February 28, 2013, 12:51:11 PM »

Quote from: rattlesnake on February 28, 2013, 12:33:18 PM

Before I regret addressing you, I want to thank storm making it rain, Paul Dennis, and Nails for your respective comments regarding what amounts to free speech and freedom of opinions. I honestly don't know what this guy wants with me, sending me lewd pm's and chiming in on my threads with this crap. Maybe he's just hurt because I blew off his advances.

Now as I said, I'll likely regret asking, but what is it your wanting me to deny? I make no denials about liking Brunswick and their staff and being a huge fan. I also appreciate the poster who likes Storm. Thats his right. What Vise and Turbo crap have I stirred up for 2 years? I haven't been here but maybe 2 months. I've posted probably 15-20 times about Brunswick's staff since joining and you take issue with one innocuous comment about Vise and Turbo?

Are you pissed about my Kretzer comment? I stand by that. Not that he's a scrub, I admittedly used a bad choice of words, but he did get asked to join Roto Grip's staff long before he accomplished anything. I believe that's because of his ties to Robert Dong and Lee Upp. My point about Upp is he got caught red handed in a scam last year as a rep for Turbo yet was selling Vise's accessories. You can't tell me someone at Vise didn't know what was going on, they signed the guy's checks. If Kretzer is loyal to his friend I can't knock that, but I am shocked Roto Grip would employ Upp. That's all I was saying there. And you can't be in this business and not know what went down last year. I have to believe Roto Grip knows like everyone else does.

My money is on you having some issue with Big Hess and don't like me tooting his horn and posting all about their plaudits. Get used to it. Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, are tops in my book!

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
Ah, no denial to being called The Beast, eh "rattlesnake"

Everybody, I urge you to strongly ignore whatever else this guy posts. This is the guy who stirred up all the Vise vs. Turbo crap for about two years and made a mess of the site. Anything he posts, just let it die a well deserved and ignored death. You can see he's not posting anything of substance, just cheerleading for some regional "stars" on Brunswick's staff. He's now starting to get what he wants with some of the responses saying "Storm is best, Brunswick sucks".

Don't play his game. Ignore him.

No, my issue with you is post in exactly the same style as a banned user. You post about Vise vs. Turbo which was all unsubstantiated and had regular membrs of this site being accused of being Vise "moles" and working for this site and giving Vise preferential treatement in advertising and marketing. I get concerned when before you even post in an open forum, you private message the person the banned user accused of being a Vise "double agent" and ask him why the site is down as is he is in control of this site. I really begin to wonder when I referred to you as The Beast and you didn't deny. In the pasI, the banned user I was talking about had 5 aliases and it took months before he admitted it. I see the same M.O. (btw, a couple of other users have noted the same thing to me, ToolDennis's claims notwithstanding). Nothing about you adds up to anything that is any good. That's my problem with you. You love Brunswick? Great. Now tell everybody what your ties are to Brunswick if you have nothing to hide. It's a fair request. Why tell us anything about a Vise/Turbo dust-up in a Brunswick forum? That's another fair request.

Nails · « **Reply #37 on:** February 28, 2013, 01:45:02 PM »

Quote from: rattlesnake on February 28, 2013, 12:33:18 PM

What Vise and Turbo crap have I stirred up for 2 years? I haven't been here but maybe 2 months. I've posted probably 15-20 times about Brunswick's staff since joining and you take issue with one innocuous comment about Vise and Turbo?

Are you pissed about my Kretzer comment? I stand by that. Not that he's a scrub, I admittedly used a bad choice of words, but he did get asked to join Roto Grip's staff long before he accomplished anything. I believe that's because of his ties to Robert Dong and Lee Upp. My point about Upp is he got caught red handed in a scam last year as a rep for Turbo yet was selling Vise's accessories. You can't tell me someone at Vise didn't know what was going on, they signed the guy's checks. If Kretzer is loyal to his friend I can't knock that, but I am shocked Roto Grip would employ Upp. That's all I was saying there. And you can't be in this business and not know what went down last year. I have to believe Roto Grip knows like everyone else does.

My money is on you having some issue with Big Hess and don't like me tooting his horn and posting all about their plaudits. Get used to it. Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, are tops in my book!

How are you "in the business"? I've been bowling forever and don't know any individuals that work for any company, let alone Turbo and Vise, other than the ones who publically identify themselves here or on other web sites. If something inappropriate happened, I could see Roto Grip finding out about it, but unless you have an in with one of the companies, that seems unlikely. Other than people recommending one brand of inserts or the other, I've never heard of any business type talk about Turbo or Vise in this site's history. How is it you know more than the average person?

sevenpin63 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 28, 2013, 03:49:20 PM »

"QUOTE from Long Gone Daddy"
No, my issue with you is post in exactly the same style as a banned user.

You should know something about being a BANNED member as you have been banned, what something like 10 times.

So if you can keep coming back why not someone else? You think your special or what?

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #39 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:04:28 PM »

Sure did, jerk. That was before the place had an unmoderated forum and I got bounced. Funny thing is, I have never hidden that fact, have listed those names before, and most people with half a brain (guess that leaves you out) figured out it was me within two postings and I readily admitted it. Ever think that's why I can sniff these frauds out so well. I'd wait for you to be honorable and correct yourself but you've never shown any indication of having that kind of honor.

Last post from me in this forum about it. Not the proper forum for your cattiness.

rattlesnake · « **Reply #40 on:** March 01, 2013, 07:45:51 AM »

I am not going to get in the mud with you Long Gone. I've rejected your private personal advances and I also reject and deny your accusation of me being someone else here who caused trouble.

I did not introduce any Turbo or Vise dust up. Some other poster challenged my opinion of Kretzer, and it was Kretzer's friend that was involved in the Vise sales scam last year. I simply gave my opinion. I'm now done talking about that. Not sure why you want to keep discussing it so badly, but that's your problem not mine.

As far as who I'm connected to in this business, I worked at both Brunswick and Track over the years but am now in a different business. But I've made friends over the years in bowling, and know big Hess personally. He's a great guy and an awesome bowler. Brunswick's whole team of stars, especially the regional guys, I like to give props to.

Now that I've answered your questions, I'm done with you in this forum. I will continue to post about Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, and others. Seems to me you are stirring up stuff here, not me. As I said, your nothing but one of these internet tough guys who likes to stir up trouble. These other posters say you have been banned 10 times. You want that, keep it in the non moderated forum.

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #41 on:** March 01, 2013, 08:42:03 AM »

Such vague answers to Nails questions and my questions. No matter. Frauds aren't worth the time of day. Toodles.

PaulDennis · « **Reply #42 on:** March 01, 2013, 09:33:52 AM »

Funny how you don't mention Nails' post aimed squarely at you, acting like your a "moderator wanna be". Hahaha.

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on March 01, 2013, 08:42:03 AM

Such vague answers to Nails questions and my questions. No matter. Frauds aren't worth the time of day. Toodles.

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #43 on:** March 01, 2013, 03:45:01 PM »

Unlike you and just about everybody on here, Nails and I go back along time on this site. I have no beef with him, he has none with me. I have no problem if he posts his honest feelings on here, just as he has never had a problem with me. Sorry to burst your bubble.

PaulDennis · « **Reply #44 on:** March 01, 2013, 03:50:23 PM »

You are not bursting any bubble of mine. I'm just keeping an eye on you so that you aren't hijacking anymore legit bowling threads over here, that's all.

Carry on.

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on March 01, 2013, 03:45:01 PM

Unlike you and just about everybody on here, Nails and I go back along time on this site. I have no beef with him, he has none with me. I have no problem if he posts his honest feelings on here, just as he has never had a problem with me. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #45 on:** March 01, 2013, 10:34:31 PM »

Quote from: PaulDennis on March 01, 2013, 03:50:23 PM

I'm just keeping an eye on you.....

Just like a "wanna be moderator"....

Author Topic: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is (Read 19968 times)

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