Author Topic: Hole in bigB line up! (Read 3022 times)

RPM MAX · « **on:** September 03, 2004, 09:19:02 AM »

I was just wondering if any one else finds it a bit frustrating that brunswick at the moment don't have a particle pearl in their line up! I loved the power groove plum great lenght and great backend even in carry down. Now before some one points out that the raging is meant to be one let me just say its not really one in the true sense of a pearl ball. So please brunswick an inferno core with a particle pearl shell would be nice!

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2004, 06:15:04 PM »

I almost believe that Brunswick does not need an actual particle pearl ball because two of their pearls, the original Inferno and the new Intense are so strong in the mids and the backend, that, for all intents and purposes, one might as well consider them to be particle pearls. (NOTE: I am not saying they are particles pearls; they just seem to act that way.)

I see a more significant gap between the Slay/R (too weak a cover) and the Power Groove pearls (too high an RG) and the next stronger level pearl resin, the Inferno (or the Intense). Now that's a gap you could drive a truck through. The Red/Black Monster used to fill that role.
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RSalas · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2004, 06:22:36 PM »

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I see a more significant gap between the Slay/R (too weak a cover) and the Power Groove pearls (too high an RG) and the next stronger level pearl resin, the Inferno (or the Intense). Now that's a gap you could drive a truck through. The Red/Black Monster used to fill that role.

I heard something recently to the effect that the next offering in the BVP series will be a ball to replace either the Frenzy or the ScreamR. Something like that should fill this gap. I sure hope it happens.

The other gap that I'd like to see filled is the "V2" reaction; something that revs up quick, reads the midlane, but still recovers with a hard arc in back. IME the original Inferno is too clean up front (even scuffed), the Ultimate tends to want to lay off too much in back, and the Nemesis doesn't have enough in the mids.
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RandyO · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2004, 07:13:02 PM »

RPM MAX - The Intense fits what you described. Give it a length layout, keep it polished, and you'll forget about "particle pearls".

Edited on 9/3/2004 8:00 PM

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2004, 07:41:04 PM »

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The other gap that I'd like to see filled is the "V2" reaction; something that revs up quick, reads the midlane, but still recovers with a hard arc in back. IME the original Inferno is too clean up front (even scuffed), the Ultimate tends to want to lay off too much in back, and the Nemesis doesn't have enough in the mids.
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Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
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Dusty,

WHile I have yet to see or to use a Nemesis, I am kind of surprised to hear that a PK 18 solid cover finished to 800 grit does not have enough "in the mids". I have seen a Bruiser scuffed to 800 grit and it had PLENTY in the mids, almost too much. I would have thought the Nemesis was stronger than the Bruiser.
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RSalas · « **Reply #5 on:** September 04, 2004, 01:35:45 AM »

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WHile I have yet to see or to use a Nemesis, I am kind of surprised to hear that a PK 18 solid cover finished to 800 grit does not have enough "in the mids". I have seen a Bruiser scuffed to 800 grit and it had PLENTY in the mids, almost too much. I would have thought the Nemesis was stronger than the Bruiser.

The Nemesis is stronger than the Bruiser, but for me, the added strength seems to be in the back part of the lane. Even with box surface, the Nemesis does a good job of pushing through the front part of the lane (even on choppy heads, believe it or not!), but then goes into a strong arc in back. If I had to compare its reaction to that of an Ebonite ball that I've thrown recently, I'd have to say the Nemesis has more of a Predator look than a V2 look, if that makes any sense.

The reaction that I'd really like to see in a Big B ball is one where the ball starts up sooner, like the Ultimate or the SmashR, but is still strong in back, like the Nemesis seems to be.
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Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** September 04, 2004, 05:33:05 PM »

Nice comparison, Dusty.
I get your point but am still slightly suprised. Must be that new core inthe Nemesis. AFter all,the Nemesis and the Smash/RE has the same cover (SmashR is 1/2 pearl and 1/2 solid) PK 18 sanded to 800 grit. Odd that the Nemesis had less midlane.

BTW the BTM review gave the Nemesis a huge backend number; that would seem to make them agree with you on the Nemesis and its unique new core.

NOwwwwwww, this make a comparison between a stock Nemesis and a Bruiser sanded to 800 grit a veyr interesting and revealing idea.
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BowlersAidProShop-Wells · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2004, 11:37:04 PM »

Does anyone use a V2 with the box finish? Most of the touring players and house players I've bowled with/drilled for shine em up, its just THAT good. Which to me is why my Bruiser, drilled like my V2's used to be, gives me a pretty similar reaction. Maybe I was just lucky.

RSalas · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2004, 01:04:35 AM »

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Does anyone use a V2 with the box finish? Most of the touring players and house players I've bowled with/drilled for shine em up, its just THAT good. Which to me is why my Bruiser, drilled like my V2's used to be, gives me a pretty similar reaction. Maybe I was just lucky.

Or maybe you just throw the ball a lot better than I do.

The issue that I've always had with the Bruiser, irrespective of surface prep, has been that I have to keep it in the oil in order for it to be effective. If I try to go from oil to dry, all heck breaks loose for me in the midlane, and the ball becomes very unforgiving. Granted, I haven't tried a whole lot of different layouts with the Bruiser, so it's possible that I could try to manufacture a V2-like look by tweaking both the drilling and the surface.

However, someone gave me an idea the other day, that being to try a scuffed Time Zone. I've never thrown the TZ, but it's got the same cover as the Bruiser, so I just might give it a try.
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Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.

RSalas · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2004, 03:56:28 PM »

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Dusty, if you like the "V2" reaction so much, why not just use a V2? What's the point of trying to make a ball from one company mirror the reaction of a ball from a different company, when you could just buy the other ball?

Perhaps I should clarify my original point. The V2 reaction is something that would be *nice to have* in the Brunswick line. Right now, the Brunswick stuff that I have gives me enough coverage to where the lack of a V2 reaction isn't really that big a deal.

However, if I do decide that I really need this reaction again, I'll drill a V2.

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Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.

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