I have a question if anyone has the time.

I drilled this ball for a friend today.  Specs:
Revs approx 250 - 275. 
Speed - 16-17 off hand.
Tilt 30 degrees
Axis rotation - Close to 90.

I put a piece of tape on his PAP and basically it is pointing straight at the bowler, and fairly high above the equator.  So that is how I based the tilt and rotation from.

I decided on a total sum of around 80, since he is basically a low rev to speed player.   I used a dual angle 33 deg - 4.25" - 47 deg.  It put the pin above the ring finger, slightly toward the pap side.  (Right hander).

We practiced on our typical house shot today.  The reaction wasn't really what either of us had hoped for.  He is getting late hook and not a very strong finish.  Misses right on a house shot aren't recovering very well.  His only decent look on the shot was to not give up the pocket ... playing around 15 to 12.  Playing out in the dry would sometimes recover, but often left the weak 10.  I on the other hand seemed to have most of the right side of the lane.

I drilled this ball to replace a Track Crunch Time.  Very old ball, but with only a season or two on it.  He had a long layoff.  His Crunch Time is drilled 55-5-40.  His Crunch Time was picking up a roll earlier with better carry.  The Crunch Time looks like it has a little more surface on it.

I was hoping that the stronger ball, cover and low drilling angle would give him a much stronger piece than that dinosaur, but no such luck.

I am going to knock the polish off the Nexxxus, and take it down to 3000. 

Anybody have any suggestions or theory's about why the Nexxxus isn't "stronger" with that drilling?  Should I have used an even smaller drilling angle? 

With most shots the tape on the PAP would stay in place (not wobble), till just short of halfway down the lane.  I would have expected with a 4.25 pin to pap, and a small drilling angle, that the ball would have flared much quicker off his hand.

What drillings do people find helpful with people with less revs and more tilt?  I wanted to go with an Asym, since I have heard that it will bleed off tilt faster than a Sym ball. 

Any suggestions or comments?  All are very welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Drew

I don't know enough about drillings to be of much help but, being a low rev (175-200) and slower speed bowler (15 mph) ,I  will tell you what works for me "most of the time" and that is pin under RF, under bridge, pin in RF hole, and etc with CG's out (never staacked)

Drew,

It is hard to say exactly what is going on here because it is almost impossible to diagnose ball reaction issues without being present.  I believe you are on the right track by trying surface changes first.  Sounds like you may be in one of those situations where the ball sees no friction in the oil but too much friction off the breakpoint.  I would suggest sanding it with a new 2000 siaair pad or old 1000 pad as 3000 may actually be smoother than the box finish because of underlying texture.  I would then have him move inside in the oil a little more to allow the ball to retain energy and get the ball to the dry later down the lane.  If this option doesn't work I would try and take the surface down to 4000 with polish and have him play in the drier portion of the lane.  The symmetrical crunch time will have a much slower spin time than the Nexxxus which is important after the ball encounters friction in this case.  You wont see the difference in the front part of the lane where you are seeing the tape remain more stationary.  The Nexxxus is going to try and change direction very quickly once the cover sees friction and the crunch time very slowly because of the difference in core design.  This is where the asymmetry makes the largest difference in reaction shape.  The layout on the Nexxxus should provide more of that really quick hook stop while the Crunch Time sees continuation after friction due to differences in design and layout.  The crunch time is going to play better in the drier part of the lane and maintain axis tilt and rotation better after encountering friction.  That being said I would suggest adding surface to the Nexxxus and using this ball in oilier scenarios.  It should prove very capable when standing inside of the oil line.

Thanks to everyone who replied.

Charlest ... Probably the simplest answer is bad ball choice.  His Crunch Time as you say, has a more arc-like reaction shape, and sometime just can't make the turn. When the outsides aren't strong (which is about 50% of the time here) his ball won't recover from misses right.  And it is really a style thing, because on those same conditions I see other people with more hand get recovery from misses right.   He wanted something to turn the corner harder, and something that could handle more oil.  To me, that is what the advertisement for the NEXXXUS states. 

UpstateProShopChris ... I thought that Symmetrical balls give up their Tilt about twice as fast as Asymmetrical balls.  At least that is what Mo says.  That could be why his carry and roll on the Crunch Time is leading to better ball reaction and carry? 

All ... I hit it with 3000, which I guess isn't much surface for a Pearl, and he got better ball reaction.  It may seem counter intuitive, but his carry is much better staying in the middle portion of the lane.   When he plays outside and the ball hits weak and deflects through the 9 pin on the deck and leaves weak 10s.  Sometimes it actually looks like the ball is leaning away from the pocket as it hits. 

I am trying to work with him to try to get less tilt.  I realize that tilt is a blessing on dry and a curse in oil, but with his specs, I think less tilt will be a vast improvement for him.