The Ringer Solid looks super smooth and even - perfect for fresh medium/dry patterns!
I also like the 2.5" layouts on low-mid range stuff for squaring up my angles when there is a little friction on both house patterns and playing outside on sport.

Kid, did you add any surface to your Ringer or is it in box finish?  How does it compare to your Melee?

Left it at box surface. (this is my actual first shots with the ball) Considering touching it up just a hair with some more 2000 grit. The ball is strong. It isn't viable in the vid but the ball really starts hooking sooner and really continues well down lane. Very typical with other balls I have tried this layout on. It is actually a few small steps down from the Beatdown on the same layout actually.

Compared to the Melee it is sooner, and overall stronger. I did not like the Melee because it was just to speed sensitive, and surface adjustments never really helped. The LT48 is what I expected in reaction from the Melee honestly. I looked forward to adding another Ringer Solid on a 60 x 5 x 60 type layout for a smoother later reaction.

Kidlost,

I know you have a lot of contact with Mo Pinel.  Is that his position that Drill angle on symmetrics doesn't matter?


It doesn't really appear from the drill sheets at Radical that his position is really that, but I would like to know more.  Certain drillings seem to be ambiguous whether a weighthole will be necessary and yet different reaction characteristics are discussed.

Please advise?

REgards,

Luckylefty

I've followed the discussions on bowling chat.  For all balls it's the post-drilled drilling angle that affects the ball's roll.  For asymmetrical cores the post-drilled psa will be very close to the marked psa, so the drilling angle is meaningful.  For symmetrical cores the post-drilled psa is close to the thumb hole, so the drilling angle is not meaningful other than to place the cg for use of balance holes.  Addition of a balance hole pulls the psa toward the balance hole, to pull it the furthest (thus reducing the post-drilled psa) and stay safe from rolling over the balance hole, use a hole 2" down the VAL from its intersection with the grip midline.  When I drill symmetrical balls I use the old pin to PAP and pin to cg method to locate the PAP in a position for desired flare and side weight to allow a balance hole if so desired, then draw the line from the pin through the PAP and apply the desired VAL angle to set the grip.  I've found this works very well.  --  JohnP