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BowlingBallSale

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Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« on: February 19, 2014, 11:11:48 AM »
Recently traded for a Black Strike King; however, after matching my span, I realized its 14lbs. I throw 15.

A friend has a 15lb Melee which he hates; he's willing to trade my strike king for the Merle.

Question-- would you make this trade? Black strike king, for the melee

I'm leaning towards yes, simply because of the weight difference. Thoughts?
Reax-45x4.5x40(pin down)
Nexus (original)- 45 x 4 x 35 (pin up)
503t-45x4.5x40
Source-60 x 5.5 x 50
Nexxxus f(p+s)-70x5.5x35
Marauder-55x5x50 (2k+polish)
300t-60x5.5x50 (+polish)
Melee-75x6x40 -- Anyone want to buy this?

 

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 11:40:00 AM »
You have a ball you cannot use and you are questioning if you should trade it straight up for a ball you can use?  Do I have this correct?

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 11:55:39 AM »
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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 12:23:51 PM »
You have a ball you cannot use and you are questioning if you should trade it straight up for a ball you can use?  Do I have this correct?

Sure, and if my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle.

I can use it, it's just not preferred. Who wouldn't want to use a ball which is a pound less, on dry lanes?
Reax-45x4.5x40(pin down)
Nexus (original)- 45 x 4 x 35 (pin up)
503t-45x4.5x40
Source-60 x 5.5 x 50
Nexxxus f(p+s)-70x5.5x35
Marauder-55x5x50 (2k+polish)
300t-60x5.5x50 (+polish)
Melee-75x6x40 -- Anyone want to buy this?

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 12:25:25 PM »
I like the strike king a lot more then the melee but I wouldn't change weights just to throw it. Make the trade. If you dont like the melee just sell it and buy the correct weight strike king.
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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 12:33:18 PM »
I like the strike king a lot more then the melee but I wouldn't change weights just to throw it. Make the trade. If you dont like the melee just sell it and buy the correct weight strike king.

Heading that direction-- I use 16/15lb equipment (a bit of mix throughout my arsenal); 14 "could" be done, but isn't optimal right now.

Melee was a ball that always interested me; I missed the versa-max, and though this is a little weaker overall, it should be a good complement to the shape I need on dryer lanes.
Reax-45x4.5x40(pin down)
Nexus (original)- 45 x 4 x 35 (pin up)
503t-45x4.5x40
Source-60 x 5.5 x 50
Nexxxus f(p+s)-70x5.5x35
Marauder-55x5x50 (2k+polish)
300t-60x5.5x50 (+polish)
Melee-75x6x40 -- Anyone want to buy this?

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 12:54:31 PM »

The Melee, for me, is a control piece.  It hooks less than most overall, but that's why I like it.  I can play straighter lines and close to friction and know where it's going.  Carry has been a pleasant surprise on the plus side. 



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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 01:14:03 PM »

The Melee, for me, is a control piece.  It hooks less than most overall, but that's why I like it.  I can play straighter lines and close to friction and know where it's going.  Carry has been a pleasant surprise on the plus side. 




I agree.  I went pin under on the Melee and pin over on Strike King.  Because of the layout and the Strike King's cover that ball gets more length than the Melee.  But a little surface change and it gets much more on the backend.  Both are versatile pieces and can be used on light oil, although I prefer the Strike King for that.

In this case I think the important thing to focus on is consistency in weights.  Without that I think you are challenging your ability to make consistent shots!

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 02:32:14 PM »

The Melee, for me, is a control piece.  It hooks less than most overall, but that's why I like it.  I can play straighter lines and close to friction and know where it's going.  Carry has been a pleasant surprise on the plus side. 


I agree.  I went pin under on the Melee and pin over on Strike King.  Because of the layout and the Strike King's cover that ball gets more length than the Melee.  But a little surface change and it gets much more on the backend.  Both are versatile pieces and can be used on light oil, although I prefer the Strike King for that.

In this case I think the important thing to focus on is consistency in weights.  Without that I think you are challenging your ability to make consistent shots!

Thanks for the input/insight-- that's why I hesitated to keep the 14lb strike king; I have 3 pieces of equipment which is 16lb, and the rest is 15. I've gone back and forth based on price point (as I can usually get 16lb equipment for about half price) and I lay stuff out with the different weight in mind (I notice about a 1mph drop in speed when going to 16lb).........

I think with the Melee-- a pin over ring finger, with stronger CG layout (lets say 55x4x40 angle) and surface prep of 500, 1k, 2k, and maybe 4k-- but I will certainly add polish regardless of grit-- would be best for me on lighter condition.

The plan is to have 2 lower end "dry" lane balls-- (recently just got a Track 300t as a dry piece to complement the Melee)-- so that I have a different look if one reaction isn't quite there, and my hand/speed adjustments aren't working as well as hoped.
Reax-45x4.5x40(pin down)
Nexus (original)- 45 x 4 x 35 (pin up)
503t-45x4.5x40
Source-60 x 5.5 x 50
Nexxxus f(p+s)-70x5.5x35
Marauder-55x5x50 (2k+polish)
300t-60x5.5x50 (+polish)
Melee-75x6x40 -- Anyone want to buy this?

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2014, 04:34:41 PM »
I would second the consensus Here as all that your going to do with the 14lbs strike king is develop inconsistant timing issues. 

However be very careful with drilling that Melee.... I would definately shy away from anything other than strong layouts.... It was IMO falsely marketed as a new and improved versamax.... 

As far as layouts for the Melee go...  First remember its a symmetric ball (prior to being drilled)
Therfore, theres no such thing anymore as a strong or weak cg postion.... This is bc the PSA is almost ALWAYS gonna end up in or within a half of an inch away from the thumbhole.  So the drilling angle is used only to determine whether or not u want a weighthole in the drilled ball, or not...  In this case id try and position the cg so you end up with enough side and thumb weight to add a flare increasing hole. Simply bc of the lazy nature that most Melee's exhibit.

Are you speed dominant?  Rev dominant? Matched? Do you know youre axis of rotation? and axis tilt? 
Rev dominant usually have lower tilt (just my own observation. Dont take that for anything more than a grain of salt)

But what im getting at is, if you r a rev dom player, with about average axis rotaion, and lets say between 15-5* of tilt. A common favorite symmetricql layout for this type of bowler would be Something along the lines of xx/5/35 Assuming its a somewhat strong benchmark ball, however if i was going to layout and drill the same bowler a Melee (and u said you were going to be using polish) id go with a stronger earlier layout like a xx/4 1/4/40 that provided a decent amount of thumb and side for a nice deep P3 hole to add differential and diff ratio in order to help give the ball the extra backend punch and continuation that many have claimed was missing with their Melees.



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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2014, 09:28:46 AM »
I wouldn't really call a Track 300T as a dry lane ball, maybe a 300A! The cover on the "T" is fairly strong, even in the 300 series! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 07:19:55 AM »
I wouldn't really call a Track 300T as a dry lane ball, maybe a 300A! The cover on the "T" is fairly strong, even in the 300 series! Just my $.02, Bruce

Hey Bruce,

Thanks for the reply-- typically I wouldn't call the 300t a dry lane ball (yup, cover) but in my case, I took the surface up to 4k, but I hit it with Powerhouse Factory Polish, then hit it with Moon Shine from Storm. With the "T" cover, plus polish, I've created a ball that is extremely easy to read, and ultimately, control on dryer lanes, or lighter house shots where I'm trying to play up the boards. I'm still debating whether I should drill the 300a from Track (guess I should hurry up and decide, since they are discontinued) or if I should drill a Torrid Elite from Radical, with a low flare layout.

I tried to order a second Track 300T, just to leave at box finish, and use as a medium ball-- the cover is versatile, and the core is controllable. Great combo from Track, hope they bring back something similar.

Thank you for throwing in "your $.02"-- really is appreciated
Reax-45x4.5x40(pin down)
Nexus (original)- 45 x 4 x 35 (pin up)
503t-45x4.5x40
Source-60 x 5.5 x 50
Nexxxus f(p+s)-70x5.5x35
Marauder-55x5x50 (2k+polish)
300t-60x5.5x50 (+polish)
Melee-75x6x40 -- Anyone want to buy this?

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Re: Brunswick trade-- thoughts???
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2014, 07:28:14 AM »
Also--

Thanks everyone for your replies-- ended up making the trade, as the 14lb ball was WAY too "different" for me. I got the Melee, he got the Strike King.

Haven't had a lot of success with my Melee; since I have a terribly crappy time trying to upload pics to BR.Com, allow me to "roughly" illustrate the layout..........

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Pin middle finger, cg just a little kicked out (Don't remember the exact numbers when we laid it out) -- 1/2" hole 3" deep just below my Pap (added later, not with original layout)

After a number of conditions, surface changes and tinkering, we added the weight hole; after more lane conditions and surfaces, I've come to the conclusion that the Melee (with this layout) isn't for me. I get a lot of over/under with it, and the ball is surprisingly strong/angular (yes, I know-- I own the ONLY Melee that can be described as "angular")-- I just don't match up with it.

Anyone want it? Currently taking offers, but it is on its second drill-- however, I can tell you it has less than 30 games on it, between both of us!
Reax-45x4.5x40(pin down)
Nexus (original)- 45 x 4 x 35 (pin up)
503t-45x4.5x40
Source-60 x 5.5 x 50
Nexxxus f(p+s)-70x5.5x35
Marauder-55x5x50 (2k+polish)
300t-60x5.5x50 (+polish)
Melee-75x6x40 -- Anyone want to buy this?