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Frederick

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BVP Arsenal
« on: January 03, 2007, 06:03:04 PM »
If someone was going to start out with a 4 ball arsenal from the BVP line, What would be the 4 best balls to start out with?

Heavy oil
Med skid/flip
Med arc
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 02:14:53 AM »
i would have to agree with mr. danny p
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 02:55:00 AM »
To cover 90% of anything you might encounter, I think a Rampage drilled for length and a Wizard/Nemesis drilled for early roll would surely be enough and a complementary duo.

IMHO, a Punisher makes sense when you frequently face medium-dry shots, the Mammoth/Goliath is rather something for oily shots, polished a choice for spotty carrydown situations. But I'd consider the latter rather to be special purpose solution.

Th Ambush would fit well in-between, and I'd see it as an alternative to the Wizard.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 03:08:53 PM »
I have been thinking about doing a full BVP arsenal for every day leauges saving my higher priced gear for tournaments as you can easily cover all the types of oil patterns with just the BVP series.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 04:02:17 PM »
Well, considering there are only 5 BVP balls, there's only 1 to leave out, unless you plan on doubling up on one of them.  There's no way the average bowler needs both a Wizard and a Mammoth, so I'd skip one of those.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 04:13:10 PM »
In our center I'm continually amazed at how good the Nemesis works!

I'd get one.. but then I'd be worried that it wouldn't work for ME...possibly making me...the ONLY one!  That ball works for EVERYBODY!

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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 04:16:35 PM »
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In our center I'm continually amazed at how good the Nemesis works!

I'd get one.. but then I'd be worried that it wouldn't work for ME...possibly making me...the ONLY one!  That ball works for EVERYBODY!

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Ive used 2 different Nemisis balls, neither one has really matched up well with me so you wouldnt be the 1st one who didnt like that ball.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 08:18:33 PM »
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Well, considering there are only 5 BVP balls, there's only 1 to leave out, unless you plan on doubling up on one of them.  There's no way the average bowler needs both a Wizard and a Mammoth, so I'd skip one of those.
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I disagree. I have the Wizard and the Mammoth. Two VERY different balls. I use the Wizard on medium oil/shorter patterns and the Mammoth on long and oily patterns. The Dynamic Duo.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 06:43:38 AM »
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Well, considering there are only 5 BVP balls, there's only 1 to leave out, unless you plan on doubling up on one of them.  There's no way the average bowler needs both a Wizard and a Mammoth, so I'd skip one of those.
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I disagree. I have the Wizard and the Mammoth. Two VERY different balls. I use the Wizard on medium oil/shorter patterns and the Mammoth on long and oily patterns. The Dynamic Duo.
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Edited on 1/4/2007 9:20 PM


Wow, real mature changing my signature.

I didn't say they weren't different, just that very few people see enough oil to justify owning both.  Way too many people over estimate the amount of oil they throw on.  Actually put a few units of oil outside of 7 and they think it's a flood because the ball they dumped 6 boards wide of their target doesn't come screaming back off the ditch.  I said the AVERAGE bowler doesn't need both.  Since you somehow need a very strong ball like the Wizard on shorter patterns, maybe you are below average.  Someone with a lot more speed than revs could probably use both, but for the average person, both is overkill.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 03:33:43 PM »
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Well, considering there are only 5 BVP balls, there's only 1 to leave out, unless you plan on doubling up on one of them.  There's no way the average bowler needs both a Wizard and a Mammoth, so I'd skip one of those.
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I disagree. I have the Wizard and the Mammoth. Two VERY different balls. I use the Wizard on medium oil/shorter patterns and the Mammoth on long and oily patterns. The Dynamic Duo.
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Edited on 1/4/2007 9:20 PM


Wow, real mature changing my signature.

I didn't say they weren't different, just that very few people see enough oil to justify owning both.  Way too many people over estimate the amount of oil they throw on.  Actually put a few units of oil outside of 7 and they think it's a flood because the ball they dumped 6 boards wide of their target doesn't come screaming back off the ditch.  I said the AVERAGE bowler doesn't need both.  Since you somehow need a very strong ball like the Wizard on shorter patterns, maybe you are below average.  Someone with a lot more speed than revs could probably use both, but for the average person, both is overkill.
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15mph -med revs -short med oil pattern- wizard =288 If you don't own a ball, don't give a review. You should have known. Have a good weekend.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 08:18:26 PM »
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15mph -med revs -short med oil pattern- wizard =288 If you don't own a ball, don't give a review. You should have known. Have a good weekend.
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Wow, now I'm being talked down to by a real winner.  First, no one is terribly impressed with scores, especially a 288.  I have plenty of real honor scores shot with several companies, including Brunswick, but that's not exactly relevant either.  Second, whether or not I own a Wizard is also irrelevant since I'm giving an opinion on where it would fit into a generic arsenal, not giving a full blown review.  Third, where did I or anyone else say the Wizard is a bad ball?  I only stated that anything over a Wizard is overkill unless you have no hand or you see a ton of oil which almost no one puts out on any regular basis.  Even long format tournaments rarely put out heavy oil anymore.

Pay more attention to what's been written before you attempt to be witty in the future.  Otherwise you will continue to look silly.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 09:37:37 PM »
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Wow, now I'm being talked down to by a real winner.  First, no one is terribly impressed with scores, especially a 288.  I have plenty of real honor scores shot with several companies, including Brunswick, but that's not exactly relevant either.  Second, whether or not I own a Wizard is also irrelevant since I'm giving an opinion on where it would fit into a generic arsenal, not giving a full blown review.  Third, where did I or anyone else say the Wizard is a bad ball?  I only stated that anything over a Wizard is overkill unless you have no hand or you see a ton of oil which almost no one puts out on any regular basis.  Even long format tournaments rarely put out heavy oil anymore.

Pay more attention to what's been written before you attempt to be witty in the future.  Otherwise you will continue to look silly.
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I didn't accuse you of saying the Wizard is a bad ball. Where did you get that? Owning a Wizard and a Mammoth is relevent. I find it simply amazing that people like you are always on the defense and get so bent out of shape, so quickly. What are the red faces? Does that mean that you are angry? Wow. Am I supposed to be intimidated by that? Well, it is not working. (It is actually childish) Anyway, I make a valid point that I have personally observed. I did not try to "pick apart" your style and skills(or lack thereof) in my post. I see no need to make personal attacks on anyone on this site. By reading your profile, you seem to be somewhat egotistical. Are you inviting a conflict? A debate? You gave a wrong impression on a ball and I called you out. Plain and simple. This must have embarrassed you. Are you not used to that? Well, my apologies. Perhaps in time you will mature enough to understand.

You are entitled to an opinion and I can respect that. So, the next time that you give advice, just do more research in advance. That way elitists won't get such a bad rap.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2007, 01:11:35 AM »
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I didn't accuse you of saying the Wizard is a bad ball. Where did you get that? Owning a Wizard and a Mammoth is relevent. I find it simply amazing that people like you are always on the defense and get so bent out of shape, so quickly. What are the red faces? Does that mean that you are angry? Wow. Am I supposed to be intimidated by that? Well, it is not working. (It is actually childish) Anyway, I make a valid point that I have personally observed. I did not try to "pick apart" your style and skills(or lack thereof) in my post. I see no need to make personal attacks on anyone on this site. By reading your profile, you seem to be somewhat egotistical. Are you inviting a conflict? A debate? You gave a wrong impression on a ball and I called you out. Plain and simple. This must have embarrassed you. Are you not used to that? Well, my apologies. Perhaps in time you will mature enough to understand.

You are entitled to an opinion and I can respect that. So, the next time that you give advice, just do more research in advance. That way elitists won't get such a bad rap.
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Your little "shot" where you included your score with the Wizard implied you thought I said it was a bad ball.  Don't bother to deny it.  Especially after you said "You should have known".

I'm not on the defensive.  I continue to explain my position without any hostility.  You just want to argue what's going on in your mind, not what I wrote.  AGAIN I said the average bowler doesn't need both a strong ball (Wizard) and a very strong ball (Mammoth).  If you do, great, but that's not what the poster or 90% of all bowlers need.

I don't know what you mean about the red faces.  The smilie that I included several posts ago???

You mention my skills - or lack there of, then the next thing you write is that you see no need for personal attacks?  Whatever.

My profile is what it is.  The truth is if you know what you're doing, you don't need a bunch of equipment.  The profile has been in place longer than you have been a member of this site, so don't think I put it there especially for you.  I might have a bit of an ego, but I back it on the lanes on a regular basis.

I didn't give a wrong impression of a ball.  You like both so you seem to feel it necessary to defend your preferences.  Your attitude is a common one on this site now.  Recommend a ball because you like it, not because it fits the need of the poster.  A high level tournament bowler might see the need for both, but the average bowler does not.  I hate to see people spend money on equipment that they don't need.  A Wizard is likely to roll out when thrown on what most bowlers see.  A Mammoth is even more likely to roll out and give a poor reaction when people who don't know better are looking for more hook.

Your attempted sarcasm shows your immaturity, not mine.  I want to help people make the best decisions, not buy equipment that I happen to like.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2007, 07:19:26 AM »
I will not steal a thread to argue with you and your self rightous attitude. I will tell you this and then you are ignored: This site is moderated very well IMHO. It is elitists like you that damage the sites credibility. In short terms, you are a bully. I personally could care less how long you have been a member of this site. Woopeee. You are a legend in your own mind...

Again, if I wanted info on a reaction of a ball, I would feel better about asking someone that has personally thrown it. That was my point.

Again, you should have known.
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Re: BVP Arsenal
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2007, 03:23:39 PM »
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Thanks so much for the well thought out dialog.  I guess I'll be reporting you to BR Tech now.  While Reverse and I obviously didn't agree on the post, at least I stuck to the subject, defended my argument with logic, and didn't resort to name calling.  Good Bye.

Since this has been brought to the top, Reverse still doesn't get it.  How can you act like you do and say what you do, then talk about me being an elitist or bully or even mention moderation on my behalf?  I'm trying to give useful information to the thread starter and explain WHY I don't agree with your stance.  Your condescending tone is the problem, not me defending my views.
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