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MegaMav

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Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
« on: October 25, 2005, 03:42:19 AM »
what is the difference?
just powerkoil 17 and 18?

im thinkin about getting a sapphire, compared to my danger zone (see layout below in links) what kind of reaction should i expect with a similar layout?
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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #1 on: October 25, 2005, 12:37:25 PM »
    only 3 are classics really, the DZ, CZT and the Q Fire.

    the DZ and CZT i got for $25 combined back in 1999.
    there was a pro bowler who had an unsuccessful back operation, and was selling a basement full of single drill 0 game balls, 3 for $25.
    he'll never walk or bowl again, and was getting money to sue the doctor.
    i chose the DZ, CZT and Red Wolf Sanded.
    i ditched the wolf
    ive head great success with the DZ and CZT
    and was looking to see how the sapphire would matchup.
    BTW my best game was with the "future classic" - Original Inferno - 279

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #2 on: October 25, 2005, 01:59:55 PM »
    I just got my Sapphire Zone in.  3in pin, 2.7oz topweight (I think)

    still trying to decide how I want to lay this ball out.

    I got for pretty cheap (around $30), on one hand since it was so cheap I may just use it to try some experimental layout, on the other hand since its an "oldie" i may just drill it either label or stacked leverage.  I have no idea.

    suggestions are welcome.  im pretty much open to trying anything...within reason.

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 02:06:56 PM »
    quote:
    what is the difference?
    just powerkoil 17 and 18?


    The cores are *slightly* different.  The high-density "satellite" within the main core of the Sapphire has two cylindrical protrusions, while the satellite for the Danger Zone has one protrusion.  I didn't think this would be particularly significant, but my ball driller believed otherwise.

    quote:
    still trying to decide how I want to lay this ball out.


    What kind of reaction are you looking to achieve with this ball?  Asked differently, where are you trying to fit this ball in your existing arsenal?
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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #4 on: October 25, 2005, 02:13:56 PM »
    bracket creep:

    in regards to what I want it to do...lol...no idea.  Right now my arsenal is pretty much set with an AI, SI, and Rampage for my house shot.  I just got this ball for cheap, and couldn't pass it up.  NIB for $30.00 was just too good.

    Plus since this ball is a bit "before my bowling time" i have no idea what to expect from it.  Maybe a benchmark layout for a power stroker playing inside from about 15 to 8.

    Maybe Rico

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #5 on: October 25, 2005, 02:20:34 PM »
    IF and WHEN i get one, i think im just gonna get it label, or stacked to see what this puppy can do.

    i'd probably get a mid 3 oz top weight 2-3" pin.

    my danger zone is CG-Out leverage drill, and its definately smooth and powerful.

    i think i'd want this one to be a little bit sharper.

    it'll probably rot in my closet till 2010 with all the stuff i have now.
    and if you read my previous thread "Made the ultimate sacrifice for my Big-B equipment", im out of bowling for the remainder of the season.

    Eric

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 02:29:20 PM »
    Redline, based on what I've seen from people who own the Sapphire as well as the newer Big B stuff, I'd expect the Sapphire to give you a few boards less overall hook than the Rampage/Smokin', but with a somewhat smoother ball path.  Think Monster Bruiser with a bit less length and a bit less sharpness at the break, and you'll get the general idea.

    megamav, back in the day, I had both the Sapphire and the Danger drilled identically.  The Danger was about three to five feet longer, and two to three boards stronger overall.  However, that was on the oils of 1997;  what these balls would have done on today's conditions would be anyone's guess.

    Hope this helps.
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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 03:52:39 PM »
    thanks for the info BC.  You make an interesting point on how the ball will behave on todays conditions.  more than likely I will probably just toss it over to my driller and get his input.  Otherwise I will probably just go with a 2L layout since I'm having trouble with most of my equipment reading too early.

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 03:57:57 PM »
    Redline, let us know how you end up having the Sapphire drilled, and how it works for you.  If your results are favorable...who knows, maybe I'll pick one up.  
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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 04:05:39 PM »
    LOL...well I was going to "sit on it" for a bit.  But since I'm re-drilling the SI (for my new grip) then I might as well get this done too.  I should have the results up later tonight.

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #10 on: October 26, 2005, 01:18:36 AM »
    Alrighty (or lefty -get it? lol ) folks...

    got the ball (3-4in pin, 2.7 oz topweight).  Gave it to the ball
    driller and told him to do whatever within reason and as long as it wasn't
    a usual label or stacked leverage drill (not too much luck with them)

    Anyways...ended up with the pin over the ring finger, CG kicked out 2inches from the CoG.  Anyways, ball came out with excess weight and so I had to locate a x-hole placement.  I decided to try something other than my 1-2 under PAP on the VAL.  

    Instead I to remove some thumb weight I drilled the x-hole about 6inches from my CoG through the CG (CoG to PAP line and CoG to CG line were angled at 45degrees).  

    Ball reaction:

    Walk outside with the ball in hand.  House was full, no lanes available thanks to two leagues going and several sets of broken down lanes.  So I will be going back tomorrow to test out this ball, my redrilled SI, and a re-surfaced Rampage.

    Stay tuned.

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #11 on: October 26, 2005, 09:43:16 PM »
    Redline, get us the results from tonight...

    just as a follow up, i did purchase a sapphire on ebay...
    NIB $50 shipped

    2-3" pin 3.7 Oz Top Weight.

    do i smell stacked drilling?

    Eric

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #12 on: October 27, 2005, 02:20:16 PM »
    went down there again last night.

    They still had a couple pairs down, 1 team doing pre-bowl and gave away the last set of practice lanes.  so once again, no results.

    Tonight is league night...so I'm debating on throwing it.  Then again, all my equipment has been re-drilled...so I have no idea what to expect...since I haven't gotten a chance to practice yet.

    plus I got this nasty head cold.  Blah.  IF I throw it tonight...I will get the results up.

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #13 on: October 29, 2005, 12:56:28 AM »
    Results are in:

    Sorry for the delay, I considered using it during league, but decided that I should take at least 1 ball that wasn't just re-drilled.

    So anyways, I took it in for some practice today.

    First Series:
    House shot, heavy middle, oil track around 7 to 10, no walled shot.

    I took out the ball first trying a deep inside line.  I stood at 25, aiming at 18, break point at 8.  Ball rolls VERY smooth but never grabbed the lane.  It hit dry and squared up driving in light.  Result: 4-7-10.  Grab the spare ball...Converted it!

    Playing straight up 10.  Ball hit solid...on dead flush hits...strikes, pushes all pins straight back into the pit.  Come in light...5-7.  Grab the spare ball again...make that spare too!  Shot a respectable 197 playing this line (got another 5-7 which I didn't convert).

    Lane man comes and re-oils the lanes.  Pretty much same shot, just heavier volumes of oil.  Pro shop owner comes out at this point to watch.  The ball won't turn over now playing up 10.  I move right to find the oil track line which is on 7 or 8.  Same results as the previous game.  I have to hit dead flush or there is nothing but splits.

    In general, the ball is very smooth and very predictable, downside being that any error will leave very bad consequences.  Not as forgiving.  To compare it to modern day stuff. I have a resurfaced rampage at 1000grit with polish.  Threw that ball along the same lines.  Ball carries all 10 whether coming in a bit light, or a bit high.  light gives you scattered pins, high gives you that nice tripped 4, dead flush just pushes all 10 into the pit.  At the same time, the rampage doesn't turn over as much.  The Sapphire is maybe 5 boards stronger.

    I think my AI will be a good first game ball. Once the shot breaks down and I need something predictable, the Sapphire Zone is it.  If the shot isn't forgiving, then the Rampage will be it.  But between the 3 and me getting more consistent, I'm pretty sure I can handle THS here.

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    Re: Difference Between Sapphire and Danger Zones
    « Reply #14 on: October 29, 2005, 01:25:15 PM »
    I may have to tweak the cover on  mine.  Inverted, you pretty much have the same pin position as me, and I can't get the ball to turn back if I try to give the ball any sort of outward projection.  

    I let the proshop owner do the layout for this ball, he went with the my usual pin position, but put the pin up for length since he knows i love that inside line.  But he said he probably should have put it in a stronger position.

    Despite the small margin for error, I'm going to try again on league night.  I will probably take it out when the shot breaks down since it doesn't seem to be very forgiving on fresh oil.