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carlos

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Carry Down
« on: December 05, 2009, 10:19:17 AM »
I have a friend who has a Python, Rattler, Sidewinder, and a Swarm. He is having problems with Carry Down. Is there a Brunswick ball that is good for Carry Down. He has change the surface of some of the balls, but he is still not having much luck. Would a Siege be the answer ? Any input would helpful. Thanks Carlos
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 06:26:48 PM »
wild card should solve your problem with oil with carry down.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2009, 06:36:24 PM »
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I have a friend who has a Python, Rattler, Sidewinder, and a Swarm. He is having problems with Carry Down. Is there a Brunswick ball that is good for Carry Down. He has change the surface of some of the balls, but he is still not having much luck. Would a Siege be the answer ? Any input would helpful. Thanks Carlos


Depends on what he is using, where he is playing and the amount & location of the carrydown. Normally you use your next earliest ball. It is usually the next roughest surface. Using a Siege to substitute for Rattler does nto usually work. There''s not enough oil for a Siege when you''ve been using a Rattler, UNless you can play a lot deeper or you''ve drilled the Siege specially for this purpose.

However sometimes it is more appropriate to go around or inside the carrydown. So if the carrydown is on boards 7/9, you play for a breakpoint around 5/6 or around 10, using different balls to play each area, as needed.

Remember an earlier ball is always going to play the pattern differently. You usually move deeper to find more head oil, when you stay with the same breakpoint area.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2009, 07:13:00 PM »
i USE THE cOPPERHEAD FOR THOSE OCCASIONS
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 07:15:31 PM »
don't always confuse carrydown with early hook in the heads and burnout.  If this is the case, earlier/stronger balls is the opposite of what you want to do
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 07:29:24 PM »
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I have a friend who has a Python, Rattler, Sidewinder, and a Swarm. He is having problems with Carry Down. Is there a Brunswick ball that is good for Carry Down. He has change the surface of some of the balls, but he is still not having much luck. Would a Siege be the answer ? Any input would helpful. Thanks Carlos


Can you elaborate on the problems that your friend thinks he's seeing?  That is, is his ball wiggling when it gets down lane, or is it stopping when it gets to the break?  Or is he seeing something different altogether?
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 09:08:39 PM »
my mixed league on saturday nights has plenty of carrydown what with many players using plastic balls and spraying them all over the lane. last year my dull copperhead solved this problem when my polished ultra zone or rattler wouldn't turn the corner. this year my smoothsanded siege solves the problem when my polished c-system won't turn the corner.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2009, 10:03:04 PM »
Also would need to know his rev rate, speed, and the drillings on the balls in his arsenal.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2009, 11:25:10 PM »
I agree with machine300 regarding burnt heads. Remember inorder to have carrydown there has to be alot of play already and with the oil being pushed down also resulting with burnt heads. One way to combat that is to use something that will get thru the heads which will result in a stronger finish. If you use an earlier rolling ball it will roll out and hit like crap. Try it and you'll see what I mean. Good Luck.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2009, 05:54:38 AM »
I wish I could get him on here to speak for himself. As for me I was using a terminator and was getting a good look in practice and the first game. Early in the second game it just labored to turn the corner. I'm a righty so I moved back to the right and was able to find the pocket again. There were many people complaining about the shot. It's a strong league of very good bowlers. On top guy with a 223 avg. shot 182-190 for the day. Usually with alot of highend aggressive bowling balls on the lanes we normally move in. It was the exact opposite.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2009, 06:20:53 AM »
Sounds like the oil was gone and you guys were using too strong of equipment. I would say the oil (units) was put down light, or you all were playing in the same area burning up the track. Either way he needs something weaker or something with more length not something stronger that rolls earlier.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2009, 08:50:48 AM »
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I'm a righty so I moved back to the right and was able to find the pocket again.


Is your friend right-handed as well?
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2009, 10:28:20 AM »
Yes. My friend is a righty as well. Tizzle there was plenty of oil. I started two boards right to start with. My friend told me he was a far right as he could go. I told him "as long as your not up against the ball return you still move right". That was on the left lane. I just think there was more oil than usual and people are use to being in their comfort zone and had major problems adjusting. I shot 634 nothing to write home about but respectable.
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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2009, 11:19:15 AM »
Regadless of what most people think, you can get so much oil out there that NO ball will cut through it.  If this is the case, many of todays balls will "flare out" before clearing the oil.

 All the balls you've mentioned come with either a polished finish, or a smoothed matte, which just isn't enough for him on conditions like these.

  My suggestion: Get something designed specifically for heavier conditions and play with the surface until he gets it right for him instead of playing with balls designed for lighter/shorter patterns.

  If he likes Brunswick, here are a few suggestions:
1. Maxx Zone: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/media/maxxx_zone.wmv
2. Siege: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/media/Siege_low_res.wmv
3. Diamondback: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/media/diamondback.wmv
4. Copperhead: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/media/copperhead_swarm.wmv
5. Wild Card: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/media/wild_card.wmv

  I listed these suggestions in the order that I was thinking they might be appropriate. The reason I listed the Maxx Zone above the Siege is because your friend already has enough medium condition stuff and needs something directed right at oily conditions, and the Maxx Zone is exactly that.
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carlos

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Re: Carry Down
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2009, 12:05:17 PM »
Thanks Juggernaut I will pass the info. on to him. It's sad to watch a team member struggle using every bowling ball in his bag and still be lost. As fast as he throw the ball the maxx zone sound and looks like the ball missing from his arsenal. Thanks again
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