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Dewey24

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Clarity on Blems
« on: January 09, 2009, 07:55:03 AM »
Don't want to turn this into a pissing match with other companies starting S**T. I was just hoping if one of the Bruns guys could help me understand what constitutes a blem. I have the chance to pick up a avalanche slide blem and just want to know if it is worth spending the money. Are their certain guidelines to the whole process as far as the ball is oval vs the color is to dark. Any help you can give to help me understand the process is greatly appreciated. Again if you are looking for a place to make negative Brunswick comments place find somewhere else.

 

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 05:48:32 PM »
Blems can be:

Off color,
Engraving errors,
Pin distance beyond a certain point (maybe 5-6") but that's a guess,
There may be more, but that's about it...

Most seem to be "cosmetic" blems which should not affect performance.

They will be round and probably just fine to most bowlers, but it's good to know WHY it was classified as a blem because if there's an Avalanche with a very long pin it would likely be extremely tame.

Now, hopefully BrunsBob or someone who REALLY knows can clarify or correct me.


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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 07:35:13 PM »
There are numerous things that can make a ball become a blem, but performance is never one of them. Pretty much all cosmetic things that make a ball not acceptable as a first.

If you have a chance to pick one up at a good price you won't be dissappointed in the reaction, unless, like with any  ball, you attempt to use it on the wrong conditions.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 11:08:53 PM »
FWIW -

My local shop has gotten a few of the Brunswick factory 2nd's in and the two that I looked at this evening had what I would consider average specs.  It would appear to me that they were considered 2nds because the engraving was not placed correctly in regards to the pin/CG location.

People familiar with standard Brunswick engraving would likely notice that first quality balls have the Big B at 12 o'clock when using the CG as the center of the clockface and the pin located roughly on the line extending through the center of the clock and 3 o'clock.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 06:40:38 AM »
Thank you so much for the information. So if I'm reading this right. The average person should never know there was anything wrong with the ball. It's mostly a quality control decision at the plant. But it is nothing like they put the wrong core in upside down in the mold or something crazy like that.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2009, 06:28:46 PM »
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There are numerous things that can make a ball become a blem, but performance is never one of them. Pretty much all cosmetic things that make a ball not acceptable as a first.

If you have a chance to pick one up at a good price you won't be dissappointed in the reaction, unless, like with any  ball, you attempt to use it on the wrong conditions.

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What about the grossly undersized mid weight blems???
They won't come back through the ball returns on some AMF machines with kicker wheels.. They are the worst...

Other than that...
I have been drilling and selling blems for 10 years and have over a dozen honor scores with them from all companies...

BUY ONE!!!!!

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 09:18:02 PM »
Not sure what your seeing in the undersized balls. Our acceptable minimum standards are still above the minimums that the USBC deems acceptable. A ball is not supposed to leave our plant if it's below that measurement. As for the mid-weight balls, those are generally balls that have had to be worked down a 2nd time after finding some kind of surface flaw, thus causing them to lose enough weight to become a mid-weight, but still above the legal minimum sizing.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 11:25:51 PM »
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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2009, 06:52:59 PM »
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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2009, 07:56:31 PM »
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Not sure what your seeing in the undersized balls. Our acceptable minimum standards are still above the minimums that the USBC deems acceptable. A ball is not supposed to leave our plant if it's below that measurement. As for the mid-weight balls, those are generally balls that have had to be worked down a 2nd time after finding some kind of surface flaw, thus causing them to lose enough weight to become a mid-weight, but still above the legal minimum sizing.

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I had a problem with a grossly undersized ball a while ago. Avalance pearl to be exact. This wasn't about that. It was about them in general from every company. It may have met your minimum standards Bob but it wouldn't stay on my vacuu jig and had 3/16 - 1/4 inch gap on the Pro Sect.

On old AMF kicker wheel returns they don't come back.
That is all I was saying.

Possitive ball lifts and brunswick machines are no problem.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 07:09:34 AM »
Thanks for the advise Sawingemdown. Luckily the pro shop I deal with is owned by my brother and he usually takes pretty good care of me.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 12:30:04 PM »
I got in a MaXXX Zone with no logos (most of the Big B is there and a small portion of the Big X, but that is all)  

We put it through the diameter rings and the ball passed clearly through both of them..  Grossly undersized as Beans has said..

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 12:44:27 PM »
I dont quite understand why the blems are not marked. I just got some in, they are not bad as far as specs or coloring, but none are marked. I am speaking of Brunswicks. This is going to be an issue when people sell on Ebay or even here and think they have 1st runs....but really they are 2nds.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2009, 02:45:28 PM »
I AGREE.

MARK THE BALLS!!!!

Other than that I love the blems when they are priced right.

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Re: Clarity on Blems
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 05:18:47 AM »
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0-1" and 4" and over pins are considered blems. They are sold to shops at a reduced price. Shops are supposed to inform the customer that they are blems, and shops are supposed to sell them at a reduced rate because they are buying them cheaper because they are blems. Some shops are hinest and do this. Alot of shops don't inform the customer of this and still sell them at regular prices.


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X-Blem, X-Out, & Seconds:
Manufacturers release their high performance bowling balls under the X-Blem, X-Out or Second label when small non-performance issues occur. The core and coverstock combinations on these bowling balls are identical to the first line bowling balls.

A bowling ball is labeled an X-Blem, X-Out, or Second for any one of the following reasons:
Color pigmentation.

Small pitting caused by air bubbles.

Unique pin placement, top weight, or mass bias marking location.

Labels are engraved in unusual places or may have the wrong logos engraved on ball.

Swirl patterns of the ball are not consistent, which may effect the color (look) of the ball greatly.

Engravings such as the serial numbers, cg location markers or logos may be stamped on the ball more than once.
 
 
These differences do not effect the performance of the bowling ball or the ability to drill the bowling ball. Therefore allowing bowlers to purchase top of the line bowling equipment at a fraction of the cost.


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Considered by who?  You better tell the distributors that 0-1 and 4+ pins are blems, because every distributor in the country has them in their warehouse and sell to the shops at full wholesale.  They are not blems.  Get your facts straight before spewing, or stay over in the Lane #1 Forum.

Your link is to that web site's definition of blemished balls.  No manufacturers names were mentioned, except for Storm, they call theirs X-comps.  Nowhere did it mention the pin distances that you did.


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