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Oldskool2

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condition of NIB Avalanche
« on: August 10, 2008, 01:00:21 AM »
After the help of you here on BR my girlfriend decided for the Avalanche Solid.

The ball performs well and react as expected. She's very happy with it, so no problem here.

What was a little disappointing was the way the ball reached the proshop.
It was highly polished and certainly not rough Buff. The cover was not tacky at all. It felt real slick and greasy and had the look of a polyester ball.

This was not really a problem, because it was solved quickly by taking it to 2000 Abralon.

What was, is that the ball already had the minimum measurements and it would probably take only one resurface to make it to small legally.
I don't know if it's a reference mark, but the engravings were on the same level as the rest of the surface. On all our other balls they are deeper.

I like to experiment with finishes and keeping the ball fresh by resurfacing. I have to hold back on this one, which I don't like.

The proshop owner said he didn't sell Brunswick a lot anymore because of problems like this. Before he was selling it more then anything else.

Is this something that happens more, or has this ball already had an extra surface treatment at the factory for some reason?

Thanks,

Antoine

 

Moon57

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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2008, 09:17:21 AM »
If I'm not mistaken the min dia spec is only for a newly manufactured ball. As far as the ball being tacky, I think the Avalance series is for dryer alley's. I just got a Hammer Rayzr, it's a dry lane ball, and I did notice that the cover wasn't really tacky at all and was more like a plastic ball.
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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 09:26:36 AM »
My mistake I missed where it's supposed to have a roughbuff finish. Sounds like it missed that before being boxed. I went to the USBC website, all the ball specs are for the manufacturer.
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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 12:12:33 PM »
One thing not to worry about is the engravings being on the same level as the rest of the surface.  That's brunswick there.  They seem to have the best filled engraving from what I've seen.  I personally like it being flush with the surface.  As for the ball being the minimum measurement, are you sure?  Did the shop measure the diameter to check to see if this was the case?

As for the cover not being finished or feeling properly...that could just be part of the quality control issues that has been hinted here and there from distributors and this site.  I don't see it as occurring often but that can happen with any manufacturer.
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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2008, 12:44:13 PM »
If I recall the Rough Buff finish was changed to High Gloss Polish...  The one's I have seen appear polished as well.

I wouldn't worry about the ball being too small after a couple surface changes.  Minimum ball diameter is a specification that the manufacturer's have to meet.  

There is a rule stating that if the serial number has been removed from a ball due to resurfacing you must engrave another serial number.  That to me says minimum size isn't something to worry about.

Though if the ball can no longer be returned by the pinsetter it's too small for play.
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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 01:13:20 PM »
I also think it's a good thing that the engravings level the surface. I don't understand why companies use that much of them on a ball. I'm a lefty, and normally my track runs on almost every engraving of the ball. And then some people complain how scratches influence their balltrack.

I'm sure about the measurements. The proshop owner checked them and showed it to me.

J_mac, you are right. As long as the ball doesn't fit between two pins it's oke. I wasn't thinking of it as a big problem to begin with, but We all just want to get what we expect from a quality company.

Is ball diameter only a specification for the manufacturer, or also for competition? I thought the rules for competition also contained these standards. Not that it is important in this case. I've never seen them measure the ball after an Honor score.


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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 01:23:18 PM »
Just as a reference on this subject......

1) Even know the specs call for Rough Buff, this coverstock will still appear shiny and smooth.
2) Our engraving system always leaves the fill flush with the surface of the ball.
3) In regards to ball size, we actually use a higher minimum size requirement in our plant than what USBC even requires. Any ball that goes below our requirement but stays above the USBC's minimums becomes a factory 2nd. One ball company has even gone so far as to say that smaller sized balls score better. Even know the ball may seem wobbly in the press or the quarter scale rattles around a little, the ball will still perform as promised or we wouldn't sell them. Any shop that claims that this is a bad thing does not have all their facts straight.

And Antoine, you did say the ball performed well and your girlfriend is very happy with it, so I'm not quite sure what the issue was. She's happy, so this means you get peace and happiness too....LOL.

Thanks for choosing Brunswick. Hope you come back soon.

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bear300x

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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 08:53:25 PM »
my buddies came shinny also, he took it to 4000 and loves it and shot a few honors scores already.

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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 06:44:47 AM »
My buddy's also came shinny as well, (PowerKoil 18 the box said).  Haha.  He left it at OOB Condition, figured hell give it a shot, and he loves the reaction he gets from it.  He's only thrown it on a THS though.
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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 08:05:25 AM »
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Just as a reference on this subject......

2) Our engraving system always leaves the fill flush with the surface of the ball.


No, it does not. I had an Awesome Finish NIB with the engravings protruding considerably, probably because thier filler material is harder than the coverstock. Ball tracked across it and had poor traction - only after shaving the filler even, the ball became much more stable.

Besides... the NIB Avalanche Solid really looks shiny, but it is definitively not polished.
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BrunsBob

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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 02:17:18 AM »
Hey Dizzy, most of the protruding engraving fill problems have been solved. It was due to the ball still curing and shrinking after the filler was put in and this caused the lettering to be squeezed out above the surface. We have since allowed the balls more time for curing to eliminate this problem.

We continue to improve in many areas of production. Many of the issues we have attacked were brought to our attention by great customers like you guys on here. Keep policing us, but don't hate on us when you do. LOL.

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Re: condition of NIB Avalanche
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 02:33:41 AM »
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Hey Dizzy, most of the protruding engraving fill problems have been solved. It was due to the ball still curing and shrinking after the filler was put in and this caused the lettering to be squeezed out above the surface. We have since allowed the balls more time for curing to eliminate this problem.



That's exactly what it looked like - thank you for the explanation! Besides these initial problems, the ball works very well
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