Author Topic: Confused (Read 3923 times)

dwp · « **on:** March 07, 2008, 05:12:06 AM »

I have my city tournament this weekend. And after talking to quite a few
people who have already bowled it, told me that the shot is really messed
up. They said that outside of 10 was flooded and it wouldn't come back. But
if you played just inside of it, you would go through the nose or brooklyn.
Just curious to find out how many of you would play this shot. I 'm a cranker
so I feel like I,m gonna have a major disadvantage. What would you do, and
what type of ball would you throw?

To give you an example of how the shot is, is the high for singles scratch is
660. And their are alot of good bowlers in this.

John D Davis · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2008, 01:17:58 PM »

Plastic, or Urathane may be your best bet if you cant take some hand out of the ball... Find a ball from 10-15 years back and grind it out making spares. Balls these days are garbage for these patterns! Also if you do have a plastic piece then you may want to consider perhaps scuffing it up slightly because if you have alot of hand it still may jump on you and give you big time over under.

bowlitup · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2008, 01:24:05 PM »

Maybe play a heavy oil ball from somewhere outside of 10, going pretty straight?
That's what I'd try first, but I can make no guarantees unless I actually bowled on your pattern.
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dukeblue87 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2008, 01:38:47 PM »

When there is a true out of bounds near the gutter, the best shot is usually deeper in the lane. It is important to keep the breakpoint closer to the pocket.
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bowlitup · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2008, 01:52:03 PM »

True enough. I was thinking about laying it down right around 10, maybe just outside, though, and only having to go a couple boards from the oil to the friction at the breakpoint. See what I mean?
Either way is a possibility though, depending on how the lanes are really playing, and what equipment, line and style dwp is using. I's say he might prefer your way, if he's a cranker, as he said. The only thing is, that to me, it seems like it would be dangerous to play from a bunch of friction, and out toward what seems to be a pretty serious out of bounds area. Personally, I think, based on what I am percieving this pattern to play like, I'd put it down somewhere between 8-11 wherever I could, and try to take it straight to the hole. But I'm no cranker, so maybe that wouldn't work for dwp.

Either way,

Good luck man.
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VIVA LA NACION!!!

dwp · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:13:26 PM »

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When there is a true out of bounds near the gutter, the best shot is usually deeper in the lane. It is important to keep the breakpoint closer to the pocket.
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Which does make sence, but what type of ball would you use? The equipment I
have are as follows, and I will bring them all.
total inferno
fury
vapor zone
zone classic(red pin)
powergroove (purple silver)
plastic

I have been practicing to keep my hand more behind the ball, but not to perfection yet. But like bowlitup said, should I use the total or fury
and just play the outside boards. I really have no clue how to play this
type of condition. I've never had to throw on this shot before.

dogman666 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:16:45 PM »

Sounds like a Nationals shot.

Aristotle · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:21:21 PM »

I haven't touched a reverse block in quite some time, but with it, you generally have two options. Either get really deep and play a tight line to the pocket, or you get together with your teammates and try to break down the pattern way outside (depending on how long they're oiling). If you play the deep line, you're going to want something that generally hooks really late and can get through the dry up front.

dwp · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:21:26 PM »

quote:
Sounds like a Nationals shot.

From what I've heard, theres more oil in the middle at nationals.

Locke · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:24:09 PM »

If you want to take the inside like I would go with whatever you have that goes the longest. I personally would move to my solid light oil ball and play it up the outside with a lot of forward roll. That will help you keep the ball from jumping when it gets off the oil but you will still be able to put your revs on the ball and have it hit hard. I would be throwing a BVP Nemesis I know you don't have that, but maybe try the power groove.

dwp · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:52:34 PM »

Ok, another question. Has anyone had any success on a
reverse shot like this? What line did you play, and what
ball did you use?

Gazoo · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2008, 03:13:54 PM »

Ah, the famous reverse block. Well you have 3 choices IMHO to play this shot and score. As some have said, play an inside line(probably your best chance), take your weakest ball and piping up the 10 board(I would dull your Powergrove so it won't snap as hard at the end if you miss left of 10), or play it off the point straight line to the pocket with your Fury. It's tough for everyone so concentrate on staying clean by converting all your spares because there will be spares. Ofcourse if all else fails, you can always take your plastic and toss it straight up the middle(not recommended) Good Luck!

Brandon Riley · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2008, 03:24:51 PM »

try a couple shots right up the ditch with a pin down that rolls. Maybe your total?? there are no guarantees but trying a new part of the lane might be the answer. Hopefully you will have a surface that will allow you to play there. Its always worth a try for a couple balls in practice... If the one and two board hook you may be able to find enough help to score.
Otherwise take a look and see what the leaders are doing and try to copy them.
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2008, 05:34:53 PM »

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I haven't touched a reverse block in quite some time, but with it, you generally have two options. Either get really deep and play a tight line to the pocket, or you get together with your teammates and try to break down the pattern way outside (depending on how long they're oiling). If you play the deep line, you're going to want something that generally hooks really late and can get through the dry up front.

Aristotle,

where the heck have you been?

I doubt if this is a true reverse block.

Actually it sounds a lot like Nationals which is more of a flat-ish (Not true flat) sport-like condition. You only have 3 or 4 boards in Nationals and not 10 - 15 boards like a house shot, so people are likely to whine a LOT.
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SKC · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2008, 04:59:42 AM »

Flat, flat-ish or reverse.. Outside is more or less out of play? Keep the ball close to the pocket.. Tighten your angles or lines.. Depending on how your balls are drilled, i would go with something arcy or not to flippy at first, preferably dull as that would tame the reaction, over/under, in the middle.. Watch your speed!!! You might have to amp your speed to keep some hit if you go with an earlier rolling ball.. Control is key on such patterns..

Your Fury or Total Inferno might do the trick, of course depending on drills.. With shots of that nature, people tend to start "deep", in the middle or just left of, for righthanders, and usually ends up playing pretty deep, so be sure to have a ball that is able to roll early without losing too much hit.. Maybe a dulled Power Groove..

If there's play outside, watch what they're throwing and how they're throwing it..

Good luck to ya..!

Charlest..
Not a very constructive reply..
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