Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: dougb on October 09, 2011, 02:19:09 AM
Title: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: dougb on October 09, 2011, 02:19:09 AM
I'm just curious. Also, why would the addition of the bismuth nucleus in the core be illegal under today's USBC standards?
Thanks
Edited by dougb on 10/9/2011 at 11:32 AM
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: icefiction on October 09, 2011, 11:40:33 AM
Nothing is illegal under USBC rules, if you know the right people that work there.
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: kidlost2000 on October 09, 2011, 01:27:30 PM
What would make it illegal? The specs would not be anything out of the norm for todays equipment. My Track Synergy ETS core is though lol
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: dougb on October 09, 2011, 02:00:33 PM
My guess is it has to be either the RG or the Differential. The BJI review of the Karma says:
The light-bulb symmetric core found in the original Danger Zone (1996) returns with tweaks...
The original core’s bismuth nugget has been removed to comply with new USBC standards.
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: kidlost2000 on October 09, 2011, 02:22:19 PM
Is it the material?
I also imagine it is cheaper to make the core with out it and modify it else where to get the same specs. Easier to mold a single piece core with out having a different piece inside of it. It looks like that is what they may have done. Specs are similar.
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: dougb on October 09, 2011, 02:42:01 PM
Hadn't thought about the material, but that may be it! Where's Charlest when you need him lol.
Maybe I'll give Brunswick a call and see if I can get an answer.
But I can see how it would be much easier to make. Lane < had their C and C2side cores with mini diamond nuggets inside the weight blocks. These were Brunswick-poured balls coincidentally. I'm not sure if anybody puts blocks inside their blocks these days or if it's still legal.
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: kidlost2000 on October 09, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Didn't that happen with Ebonite and the acrylium back in the day as well? Not sure about the tittanium and ceriamic mold cores either.
But, they can be re-released lol
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: charlest on October 09, 2011, 04:22:27 PM
doug,
just got home from a tournament.
Not sure when it became illegal to use metals in core or in a bowling ball for that matter, but it's been a longtime. Bismuth and Titanium are technically metals, but I doubt they were actually metals in those cores.
I do not know what new regulation made the bismuth nugget illegal now. I believe several techs have said that these nuggets (ceramic and bismuth and the one in the Ebonite Wolf core were used to get the core lower in the RG range. The technology to do that some how did not exist back in 1997. Now it does and those nuggets are no longer necessary to make the ball do what the designers want. SO why go thru the added process AND the added expense?
FYI The new core in the Ebo Mission X is supposedly made from "Magnetite", whatever the heck that is, but it sure sounds like a metal. BUT, according to USBC rules, it cannot be a metal, so the name must just be a made-up one by Ebonite to suggest that the core is denser than it used to be.
Just an FYI: Some of the hardest hitting balls I have known were from AZO and the first few made by LaneMasters when they took over the AZO plant back in 2004 (?). Those cores were made from urethane. I am not sure if they (LM or AZO) still use urethane to make their cores.
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: dougb on October 09, 2011, 05:07:27 PM
Charlest,
I knew you would come through! Thanks brother and I hope you bowled well.
Do you know if the remake had the same bismuth nucleus?
As for the AZO, I have an Ultima RP. This ball's specs are definitely illegal under today's standards, with the .065 differential. Add to that a 2.488 RG core and this ball revs up hard and gives me 6" of flare. I tried to sell it awhile back because it overlaps with some other stuff I have. But I do note the sound of the ball when it hits the pins is different... nobody wanted it so I'll probably keep it.
Thanks,
Doug
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: charlest on October 09, 2011, 06:44:09 PM
As far as I know, the new core does not have any center nugget.
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: pagnouch on October 09, 2011, 10:09:47 PM
sorry to jump in this thread but i have a original danger zone i think NIB serial # 1TK7248 or Itk7248 would anybody know the answer?
Thanks
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: dizzyfugu on October 10, 2011, 01:17:54 AM
AFAIK, the Bismuth nuggets and also the ceramic core parts used in some late 90ies pieces were a driller' s nightmare because they were/are so hard that you could ruin your drill bit when you hit one! I am not certain whether the material is illegal by any means, but I'd assume that the abovementioned "handling trouble" is one reason why these elements disappeared, and also because leaving them away is a simple way to cut production costs - not only through material costs, but also handling through a much more simplified production process and less risk of blems. The official story might be different, though...
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: Aaron Koch on October 10, 2011, 05:40:35 AM
The bismuth nuggets are considered illegal due to their high density. The following is from the specifications manual:
Material
3. The density of any piece/component in a ball (e.g. core, coverstock, weight block, etc.) shall not exceed 3.80 g/mL (i.e., no pure metals or high density materials).
Aaron Koch
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: dougb on October 10, 2011, 09:12:21 AM
What impact (if any) does the high density material have on the RG and/or differential?
Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: pagnouch on October 10, 2011, 12:17:27 PM
sorry to jump in this thread but i have a original danger zone i think NIB serial # 1TK7248 or Itk7248 would anybody know the answer? Does anybody know if this is the original ball?
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: RSalas on October 10, 2011, 12:26:15 PM
It's a remake...made in 2005.
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Title: Re: Did the Danger Zone remake have the bismuth graphite core?
Post by: Aaron Koch on October 11, 2011, 06:46:58 PM
The short answer is the impact depends on a lot of different variables. A couple of the variables are how much of the material is in the ball, the shape of the material, and where the material is located.
The long answer would involve physics and quite possibly take several pages. To save everyone's eyes and brains, I'll leave it at the short version. :-)