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Title: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Easy10pins on February 01, 2009, 04:53:43 AM
Any correlation between how a ball sells and if it's successful on the PBA tour?

The only reason I ask is because I'm watching Carol Dorin-Ballard, Sean Rash and Brad Angelo completely whiff with the WILD RIDE.  

BTW, I love mine.  
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Solid 7 Pin??  299 Game??!! WTF  
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: brunswickcomplete on February 01, 2009, 12:56:05 PM
ouch, just like mine, not too impressive, have used it in 2 different houses,
it was box finish, then 2000 albalon, now going to 1000
Maybe should have gone with the rattler, proven coverstock and a core that i love, like my sidewinder and copperhead

Edited on 2/1/2009 2:13 PM
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Easy10pins on February 01, 2009, 01:04:50 PM
I'm also working on adjusting the surface.  

Sunday night league the ball is money out of the box.

Tuesday night, different house, more oil, still working it out.


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The bowler formerly known as BrunsRod.
Solid 7 Pin??  299 Game??!! WTF  
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: notsohotshot on February 01, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
It makes me wonder if polish would be the answer? Comments
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: hotshot187 on February 01, 2009, 01:06:45 PM
They really made the Wild Ride look horrible on the show.  It barely moved.
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: strikenout on February 01, 2009, 01:35:59 PM
that balled labored big time...after seeing how it reacted on the show and comments on here going to go with the rattler. this showing on the show is going to turn alot of people off.
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: hotshot187 on February 01, 2009, 01:37:37 PM
I agree the Rattler at least has a proven coverstock going for it.
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: strikenout on February 01, 2009, 01:43:08 PM
ok with the wild ride not looking good, not much love for TFD does everyone think that they need to stop coming out with so many balls and focus on technology and not rush it to the market.....!
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: dogman666 on February 01, 2009, 01:50:52 PM
With the millions of bowlers worldwide, a company has to put out a wide variety of balls to be profitable. Not every ball works for every bowler as I have heard on this site over and over again!
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 01, 2009, 02:36:32 PM
no correlation at all.......chris barnes was pba player of the year last year. the pro shop i visit is the busiest in the metro kandsas city area. the owner told me if anything he sells less columbia 300 this year than last year.
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Hamburglar on February 01, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
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the pro shop i visit is the busiest in the metro kandsas city area. the owner told me if anything he sells less columbia 300 this year than last year.


If that's so, then there a lot of people in the KC metro area that are missing out...I just hope they aren't wasting their time and money on Bruswick balls...
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 01, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
according to the owner of ams bowling supplies-----the pro shop i referred to, he receives very few requests for columbia 300 equipment. this is a man who has run a successful shop for over 20 years. he knows what sells and what doesn't. i don't throw columbia 300 and i definitely don't feel like i'm missing out. i've thrown nothing but brunswick since 1995. in 1995 i was averaging 175 and by 2005 i was averaging 233. i've bowled multiple 300 games and 800 series. i've won multiple city championships. i've cashed at pba regional tournaments. all this was done with brunswick equipment. there are many, many other players who have achieved much more than i have using brunswick equipment. bottom line: what wins on sunday doesn't necessarily sell on monday.
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Easy10pins on February 01, 2009, 08:42:41 PM
Great response.  Thank you for taking the time to post that.
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The bowler formerly known as BrunsRod.
Solid 7 Pin??  299 Game??!! WTF  
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: heavyarty on February 01, 2009, 09:04:43 PM
if the ball isnt going to move with sean rash throwing it idk what will. maybe it'll move for brunsnick when he shoots the video of the ball on half synthetic half wood lanes, should be enough friction there to get it to turn over
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Copperhead- Rico, 500 grit w/ big b polish
Twisted Fury- 5 1/2 x 5 1/2.oob
Smash Zone- 4 1/2 x 4, rough buff
Avalanche Slide- 4 3/4 x 5- oob
Avalanche Solid 4 1/2 x 3 pin under- oob
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Dennis Rhodes on February 01, 2009, 11:35:02 PM
An interesting point is that Harman, when moved to the left lane, same as Rash, had issues with his Hyroad moving enough to create the angle to carry.  I will admit that it moved more than the Wild Ride, but when Sean slowed the ball down, he had similar movement and left two ten pins, just like Harman.  Now, the Hyroad is an awesome ball, but sometimes hook, regardless of hand, is still determined by speed.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Verbs on February 02, 2009, 07:45:12 AM
The tour has some, but little influence on what sells in the pros shop.

For instance, How many Black Widows (Original, Pearl, Bite or Venom) have made TV shows? Not very many. But Black Widows have been the hottest selling ball for the past 2 1/2 - 3 years.

Conversely, Storm Hy-Road has made numerous shows and overall is selling well.

So while the Tour isn't the ball selling showcase it once was, it still has some influence.

Verbs
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: bruns4life on February 02, 2009, 11:55:22 AM


It has been argued many time on here before but yes from first hand knowledge,THE TOUR DOES SELL BALLS![/quote]


I agree that the Tour does sell balls, to a certain degree, but right now its only selling Storm balls due to lack of oil in the front part of the lane.
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 02, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
in my experience the tour sold many more balls 10-15 years ago than it does now. the fact you see storm on every telecast and yet the busiest pro shop in kc hardly sells any should tell you something.......
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: charlest on February 02, 2009, 05:29:58 PM
Regarding this topic:
I have told this story here before but in light of the current discussion, it's worth repeating.

Back when the Quantum Helix was being marketed (for $300, no discount), my pro shop/driller guy had 3 of them. He owned the pro shop in the center where the Johnny Petrgalia Open was being held in NJ, Carolier Lanes, now Brunswick ZOne carolier. Walter Ray won the even using the Helix on the TV show. My driller figured he'd finally sell 1 or more of the 3 Helix balls Quantum (Brunswick Technology Ventures) made him buy and forbade him from selling for anything less than the list price.

Needless to say, he sold not one of those ball. They hung around for another 3 - 4 years. He finally ditched them for about $15 each.

I'd say there was virtually no relationship between balls used on the show and what sells.

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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: thrownxs on February 03, 2009, 11:26:46 AM
Absolutely if great bowlers such as CDB, Rash, or Angelo can't make it ball work  how much a chance does an average bowler have at making it work? No thanks I'll pass.
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: charlest on February 03, 2009, 12:04:39 PM
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Absolutely if great bowlers such as CDB, Rash, or Angelo can't make it ball work  how much a chance does an average bowler have at making it work? No thanks I'll pass.


But remember rarely do you ever face the conditions that they do on TV.
The thing is on TV the conditions often vary HUGELY from what they faced furing the week. If they used the WR to get to the show, how bad a ball can it be? Just because they and it failed on TV, do you know if it was what they doing, or was it the WR itself?

Because others had good reactions, why assume it was the ball's fault? 99% of the time, or hiogher, it's operator error, not a bad ball.
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 03, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
Black widow....didn't Doug Kent win some majors with that with it hooking half way out of the house?

REgards,

Luckylefty

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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Brandon Riley on February 03, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
Why Big B do you put the twisted core inside the activator shell when you could make a winner out of wrapping activator around a symmetric zone core?
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Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Brunswick_fan_BrandonH on February 03, 2009, 01:53:36 PM
There is a Brunswick bowling ball with activator cover and a symmetric core called the Rattler.  The Rattler has the low RG symmetrical rocket core.  Link : http://www.brunswickbowling.com/bvp_rattler

Brandon H - 100% Brunswick Supporter
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: on February 03, 2009, 01:56:24 PM
Activator shell with symmetrical Rocket core - Rattler

ConneXion shell with Torsion asymmetrical core - Wild Ride

I agree with Brunswick_fan_BrandonH.


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Edited on 2/3/2009 2:57 PM
Title: Re: Direct Correlation or No?
Post by: Easy10pins on February 03, 2009, 02:38:05 PM
quote:
Absolutely if great bowlers such as CDB, Rash, or Angelo can't make it ball work  how much a chance does an average bowler have at making it work? No thanks I'll pass.


The average bowler isn't on a PBA pattern.

The average bowler isn't on a PBA pattern that hasn't been broken down by 6 to 8 other bowlers on league night.
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Solid 7 Pin??  299 Game??!! WTF