I recently purchased an Alpha max c system and am eagerly anticipating drilling it.

 

I am less than an expert in the dual angle drilling technique and wanted to make sure that what I had in mind and what I expect the ball to do are consistent.

 

Quite simply, I want to punch it out 45x5x45, pin down and a weight hole in P3...I am hoping that the ball reads early and transitions in the backend quickly. I have some tournaments upcoming and THS are not in the schedule. I, as many others, have no trouble scoring when the burn comes, however, fresh has always been a problematic area and I pray that this ball is my answer.

 

My PAP is 5 1/4 over and 1/8 up, 16 - 17mph off my hand and 350 - 400rpm.

 

Any comments/advice that can be offered are appreciated

As Drill lord states we can't give you a definite answer without more info. But he is correct, we have the same PAP and that layout will put the pin up just a pinch above the fingers. I have one drilled 65x4.5x25. This is a pretty aggressive layout for me. When I bowl on more oil all I need to do is add surface, and this gets the ball started a little sooner and keeps the ball going through the pins very well. Good luck and wish you all the best.

Would it help to say that I am a mid to high track player?? I have never determined my axis tilt so I cannot even gander a guess at that one.

 

I am talking about 41 feet of juice and approx volume of 25-30 mils...

 

Given the info that I have mentioned, would the layout below be adequate or am I misinterpreting the literature?

 

 

...so tell me then, if we have the same PAP, how does the 65x4.5x25 layout roll for you?

 

I may consider drilling 2 of these monsters for the upcoming tournaments and am thinking that the 3:1 ratio of drilling angle to VAL angle would create a huge backend move...really good for the burn??

 

Ragu... This layout is fairly aggressive. My rev rate is higher than yours. The layout gets the ball through the heads and reads the midlane nicely with a strong motion off the spot. Right now it is still OOB, I haven't thrown it on anything that needed more surface. I drilled this ball with the Scorpion and Shark pattern in mind. I think when I get to these patterns I will need to add surface due to how clean it is in the fronts. You won't go wrong with drilling two of these. i am going to drill a 3rd one because I am just loving this ball right now.

For the burn, for me would have drilled one 70x5x30 with a P2 or P3 hole depending if it needed one. I would also sand with 1000 then polish on top of that.

Hope this helps.

Carmine, Not a problem. It is my pleasure to help. Be careful with the fresh drilling with that P1 hole. With that layout it will probably need a hole. make sure you throw the ball before adding the hole. This way you can add a stronger hole if the reaction is not what you are looking for. if you need anything please let me know. Enjoy this ball as it is extremely good when used properly.

Hello again,

 

quick update and another question. I drilled the first c-system last week...decided to try a 40x4.5x45, it put the pin just slightly above my ring finger and i needed a small P1/P2 weight hole. Considering the surface of the ball and the drilling angle, I am amazed at how clean this ball is in the front part of the lane even on a THS. I asked the lane dresser here to oil a pair with the THS and then a second pair with a little more of a modified sport just to compare...cannot believe the difference. The ball refused to stand up on the THS, you could see it start to move really early in the midlane and then barely make it to the hole, this concerned me a little. I threw a couple of games on this condition and even after this time, the ball just wasn't doing what I had hoped. I decided it was time to try the sport condition and I was in awe at what this ball did...it actually hooked!!! lol. With a little higher volume of oil in the heads, longer pattern and squeeky backends, this ball is a monster...nothing could have prepared me for the destruction I was about to witness. This ball was as clean in the front of the lanes as it was on the THS but that added volume in the heads allowed it to store its energy and man did it release it when it hit the midlane...the ball actually looked like it changed colour when it got to the backend and started to flip. When the transition started, the ball faced the pocket perfectly everytime, I tried 3 or 4 different lines and different angles and so long as I threw the ball properly, it was phenomenal.

 

Sorry that got so long, I am just really excited to bowl these tournaments now.

 

Here's my question, I did mention I bought a second c system and am having trouble picturing where everything will lie when I do drill it...The pin is a little less than 3 inches, I decided on 60x4.5x25. I am hoping that I will not have to put any weight holes and that's why I am asking the question...just can't seem to visualize where everything will end up.

 

Thanks again for the info

I agree, a weight hole can most certainly do some cool things to a ball, however, I have also seen with some drilling patterns that it causes a 'wobble' effect that cannot be overcome.

 

I have a couple of pieces with the double thumb drilling and yes, most aggressive pieces in my bags. However, the double thumb drilling may not work on this ball because the pin is less than 3 inches form the CG...I would find it pointless to have a weighthole in the P4 region that might be as big as a dime. The reason I mentioned I want to stay away from the balance hole is because with these angles and the tight pin, the CG will end up above my midline whereas a weighthole maybe required in the P1/P2 areas and would defeat the purpose of the 65/25 degree drilling and VAL angles.

 

This might be the closest thing to the natural 'leverage' drilling of old, without the pin actually being 3 3/8 from the PAP...a weight hole may need to be added for staic weight legality but if I don't have to add one for those purposes, I would rather not add one at all.

 

Thanks for the suggestion tho, options are always welcomed