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agroves

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Duke and the Absolute
« on: February 06, 2005, 05:20:55 AM »
It is looking awesome in his hands right now.

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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2005, 09:49:54 PM »
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I think he's saying "hijack" based on the fact that you guys turned a discussion of Duke and the absolute, to about the Vertigo, and BTM

I was pointing out that it wasn't the ball as it did no better than Ryan's ball. Duke made better shots plus he lucked out on the 7-10 whereas Ryan didn't and as Charlest said in more simple words than I did, "It isn't the ball, it's the bowler." I nor anyone else is saying the Absolute isn't a good ball, we're saying that it wasn't the ball that made Duke win, it was the bowler Duke that won. I wasn't intentionally raining on anyone's parade.
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I agreed that Norm is great, always has been.  He "lucked" out with 7-10 I guess.  

I was arguing the point of about BTM reviews.  If you read them, you realize they won't say anything bad about ANY ball.  I can understand that, but it isn't an honest review if you can't say "we couldn't get it to wrinkle on oil".  They say things like, "this is a go to ball on brokedown patterns".  Go-to for whom?

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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2005, 10:19:48 PM »
This just in....... Duke is good. He's won with Hammer, Champions, AMF, and now Brunswick. But of course the B-Nation will take credit for his win. Just like Tiger wins because of the clubs he's using.
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2005, 10:35:43 PM »
I will 2nd that
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agroves

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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2005, 11:20:28 PM »
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This just in....... Duke is good. He's won with Hammer, Champions, AMF, and now Brunswick. But of course the B-Nation will take credit for his win. Just like Tiger wins because of the clubs he's using.


Dude, STFU....read the posts where I stated anything about how Duke won just b/c of the Absolute.  IF you find one let me know?

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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2005, 11:32:48 PM »
Andrew, although not 100%, I do put some stock into the BTM ratings in terms of their rating for oil-medium-dry-etc. Also core torque, length and backend ratings. Now it can depend some on the style of the person throwing a ball. I know they are not 100% accurate, but their reviews do hold some value and I use them to a certain extent when I buy balls. For example I bought the Storm Depth Charge and Storm Extreme based on their ratings and I couldn't have been happier with them. I also bought the Brunswick Impulse Zone based on their ratings and again, I couldn't be happier with it. Those 3 balls matched their ratings as close as I could ever expect. I also pay attention when they say "a certain ball will over run the break point if the oil, etc. etc." or another example, "put it up when the head oil starts to go away" and so forth.

BTM's ratings are not accurate by any means, but some of the information is useful and is a guide line that can be used for purchasing a ball for certain conditions.....At least they are for me, anyhow. Now, I am going to shortly buy an Absolute or a Vertigo or a GP2 as soon as I can see what BTM says about the Absolute. Then once I choose one of the balls, I'll talk to people that throw it and then decide. I've already done this for the GP2 and found that it may work for me for what I want it for. Based on it's higher RG, the recommended drilling for my style by Track, and my low revs, it will give me more length than BTM said it did, yet give me the torque and backend that BTM rated it for.

Please excuse me for making this so long, but I was just trying to point out to you that I do use the BTM ratings to a certain extent and they usually work for me. Not always, but they do work for me more times than naught.

PS:...You and I have really highjacked this topic now.
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2005, 06:46:16 AM »
"it ain't the arrow,..it's the Indian"..
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2005, 09:28:05 AM »
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Holy crap, that was the sweetest roll I've ever seen on a ball. Anybody who says the pros don't sell balls didn't watch the same match I did.

He did sell some balls Sunday, I'll admit to that and one of them could even be me, who knows.
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2005, 09:40:56 AM »
first of all, charlest and jimensminger are correct....IT'S NOT THE BALL it's THE BOWLER!!!!!!

Second...how did the Vertigo get into this .....Shafer was throwing the original X factor yesterday....
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2005, 09:51:05 AM »
i was gunna say the same thing,  the vertigo wasnt anywhere to be found on tv yesterday,  all i saw was the origional x factor in shafers hands.....


i can also say that i am now leaning towards getting an absolute..... i was looking at the xcel from ebonite, but after seeng the absolute the last couple of weeks, i am definately thinking about that instead.......
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2005, 10:09:14 AM »
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Second...how did the Vertigo get into this .....Shafer was throwing the original X factor yesterday....
 

Simple answer. Everyone was whooping and hollaring and giving all of the credit to the ball and not Duke of which I disagreed with them on and also that it comes out today the 7th, can't wait, and etc. Since I throw both Brunswick and Storm, I said the Vertigo comes out today also and that I was looking at both balls as well as the GP2 for my next ball within the next 2-3-4 weeks. Also that I was waiting on the BTM rating on the Absolute. It mushroomed from there.

If you will go back and read, you will see that I too said the same thing that Charlest and jimensminger said.
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2005, 10:34:17 AM »
i see, thanks Brickguy....yes, I did see that !
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2005, 04:26:03 PM »
Sorry, but I would have to disagree with those stating its not the ball. Even Duke said his equipment change was one of the reasons he made the final. The best bowler in the world cannot overcome bad ball reaction. You have to have the right ball for the lane condition. One could argue that the reason Ryan left the 7-10 was because of his ball. I think Randy called it when he said the ball gave up.

The point I'm making is bowling is very similar to Nascar. A driver has to have a good car to win and you have to be a good driver to reach victory lane.

Right now, Brunswick seems to have several pieces in their line up that is matching up well with the lane conditions. You see their equipment on the show almost every week with different bowlers.
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2005, 06:27:48 AM »
stop it guys....you can see ANYONE any week throw a ball that gives up now and then!!

Yes, the combo of ball and bowler on the right line and right condition is paramount, but at the end of the day...it's more bowler than ball!!!!
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2005, 09:50:59 AM »
I would also agree. The Bowler creates good ball reaction.  I'm sure you guys wouldn't be on this Absolute craze if Dave Traber was the one who won on the TV show with it last week chucking the ball up the 15 board.
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Re: Duke and the Absolute
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2005, 10:07:53 AM »
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I would also agree. The Bowler creates good ball reaction. I'm sure you guys wouldn't be on this Absolute craze if Dave Traber was the one who won on the TV show with it last week chucking the ball up the 15 board.
 

lol...It couldn't have been said better. No truer words have ever been spoken.
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